User talk:Sanfazer

Description
! Why are you still here? Do you want candy? Is that why you're still here? Oh, you wanna talk to me! That's it, isn't it? Well, then, you could've given me a call, like I told you. Never mind. Simply click the Add topic button and say whatever you want to. But be nice. I'll probably click the Edit button a few minutes later and give you a reply. Suggestion: If you have some spare time, try figuring out how similar these Description sections are. It'll blow your mind. Additionally, in case you wanna view this page's History for some reason, click the link I've just provided you with, instead of using the regular, boring way you're accustomed to. (I love linking!)

On Rules
Hi there, I saw you commented on Nrc8127's talk page about him/her breaking the rules on changing British to American. Ofcourse you're right and it's awesome that you take responsibility to tell him/her in such a polite manner, but I just wanted to drop by and point out that you could also have reverted the actual change. I did it now, so don't worry, I just wanted to come by and say that. Oh, and ofcourse your change of terrible to horrible doesn't count as breaking the rules as it's a direct quote, but I guessed that was sarcasm. :) Aki 01:37, 5 January 2011 (CET)
 * LOL. Actually, it wasn't sarcasm at all. I meant the comma and the quotation marks! The comma was inside the quotation marks in one sentence, and outside in another sentence. All in the same paragraph. I was just trying so standardise it a bit, and so I chose the way I like best. (Should've written an edit summary, I guess.) Sanfazer 18:48, 5 January 2011 (CET)

Wikisimpsons
Hi. Actually, I was aware that The Infosphere and Wikisimpsons were affiliates (in fact, I have an account with them as well). I just felt that the Wikipedia article I linked was more informative about the episode in question. But thank you for the information about affiliate linking to them, since I was in the dark about that. -- DeepSpaceHomer 19:27, 20 January 2011 (CET)
 * I thought you wouldn't know simply because you registered in December, and the affiliation took place in November. But, of course, that means nothing. Oh, and, don't worry about that Simpsons article business. I think it pretty much only links to Wikipedia, anyway. Which means you did the right thing. Sanfazer 23:39, 20 January 2011 (CET)

Explanation
All right, I can explain everything. First of all, I'm American, and so I don't know British grammar. I know what I was raised to know, and that would be American grammar. I had no idea that the grammar fixes I was making were correct. So you can't really blame me for my ignorance. As for deleting your post, it's sort of embarrassing to have something like that in public for everyone to see, and I didn't think it was such a bad thing to do. Anyways, sorry for all that. Gmlw 22:13, 22 January 2011 (CET)
 * That's okay. But I don't consider it to be embarassing myself. It's like you said. You can't blame someone for doing something they didn't know was wrong. (I hope you know it's wrong now, though, so I can blame you in the future.) So the point of posts like mine is not to remark that one's method is flawed, but to improve it. Sanfazer 17:44, 23 January 2011 (CET)

Your edit
I just saw your edit and I'm a little confused. I understand what you did but the reason I changed the article before wasn't it's appearance. It was because I couldn't find any articles that listed where the quotes came from. I've checked ten other articles and none of them, no matter the size, listed where the quotes came from. Is what you did a personal preference or to bring that article to the Infosphere's standards? Teyrn of Highever 01:46, 19 February 2011 (CET)
 * I haven't seen many Quotes sections using the Et template lately, so I don't think that's a standard. But I'm sure three of the episodes this one mentioned are correct: Zoidberg scaring the people in the pool (2ACV05), Yivo addressing everyone in existence in the church (TBWABB), and Randy talking about his poodle as Bender and Amy are trying to legalise robosexual marriage (6ACV04). Also, did you check the transcripts? Sanfazer 01:58, 19 February 2011 (CET)
 * I'm not disputing where the quotes came from or their correctness. I am asking why you even listed the episodes they came from. As I said, I can't find an article that lists where each quote is from. No quote section mentions which episode or comic the lines are from. No matter the size, they just give the quote. Teyrn of Highever 02:04, 19 February 2011 (CET)
 * Oh! Yeah, I just thought it would be more thorough that way. It's a personal preference, like you said, and, in my opinion, not hurtful to the wiki/reader. Articles are only required to be consistent within themselves. Sanfazer 02:55, 20 February 2011 (CET)
 * No, it's not hurtful at all, just seems weird that Randy's article is the only one I could find that had it. Teyrn of Highever 02:59, 20 February 2011 (CET)
 * I know. Hey, if you really want it out, feel free to remove it. I'm not a selfish guy. Sanfazer 03:04, 20 February 2011 (CET)

Channel 4√4
I saw that you undid my edit. While I understand why you did it, I think that your math is off. What you suggested in the infobox would be the square root of the fourth root of 4 or the eighth root of 4. This would be about 1.19. According to two different scientific calculators and the physicist who lives next door, my math was correct. The fourth root of 4 and the square root of 2 are equal. Teyrn of Highever 01:10, 21 February 2011 (CET)
 * Also, looking at your edit, you did not remove that 4√4 equals 1.41. This leaves the issue with √2 equaling 1.41. That point can be easily checked on a basic, non-scientific calculator. Teyrn of Highever 01:32, 21 February 2011 (CET)
 * You're right. My math really is off. When I first cleaned up the page days ago, I was interpreting 4√4 as the 4th root of 4 (4√4), but today I interpreted it as 4 times the square root of 4 (4*√4). This is a result of me not being used to studying math in the computer, which can let me down at times. Sorry for the trouble, man. (PS: My suggestion was in the edit summary, not the infobox.) Sanfazer 01:55, 21 February 2011 (CET)
 * We all have off days. Like when I said infobox instead of edit summary. Teyrn of Highever 02:08, 21 February 2011 (CET)
 * LOL. I suppose so. Sanfazer 23:04, 21 February 2011 (CET)

500 edits
Me again. It finally happened. I reached 500 edits. I don't know which is scariest: the fact that I got to 500 edits, the fact that it took me 6 months to do so, or the fact that you've done over 500 (560 to be precise) in the last 30 days. Don't you ever sleep? Teyrn of Highever 04:29, 21 February 2011 (CET)
 * Contrary to what my user page states, I do need to sleep. I just don't realise the importance of having all my neurons working properly, and as a consequence frequently stay up late. Those irregularities are bound to cause weirdness like the above. (It isn't just the lack of computer math study! And I'm not joking, about any of this.) But try not to freak out over the 560 edits. That's mostly due to my habit of keeping an eye on everyone ' s edits. Which some might consider a bit arrogant. Sanfazer 23:04, 21 February 2011 (CET)

Episode Infobox
Was the only reason you undid this edit because of the amount of articles that would need to be changed? Is this format more preferable? Teyrn of Highever 22:41, 7 March 2011 (CET)
 * In my opinion, yes, it is. (I don't call the shots around here, so I can't say for sure.) And yes, that was the only reason. I did the edit as a test, inspired by another edit, and wasn't even certain that it would work. Are you asking because you're willing to go over all those episode articles? (Was the Produciton thing not enough?) Sanfazer 00:18, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * I am willing but I don't want a repeat of what went wrong. Don't want to go through all that work for nothing. I would prefer to wait for someone important to say yea or nay, first. Teyrn of Highever 00:54, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Me too. Maybe notify them in their talk pages? Sanfazer 00:57, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Have anyone specific in mind? Not many seem to be online that often. Half of our administrators haven't been on for months, at least. Teyrn of Highever 00:58, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Aki, Quolnok, and Svip are the most active. Svip is usually quick to reply. Sanfazer 01:07, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * We have a verdict. Teyrn of Highever 01:48, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Giant news, everyone. Should we do as we did with the year articles? I get the first half, and you, the second? Vice-versa's also fine. Sanfazer 02:00, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Guess so. I'll start from the Holiday Spectacular. Just need to make sure to follow what Svip said. Teyrn of Highever 02:05, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Start from "Ressurection". Remember that the problem came from 6ACV14. Sanfazer 02:07, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Found it. Teyrn of Highever 02:08, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * I love how we planned out how to do this but both aren't doing anything. Is that intentional? I was waiting for your edit so I could mirror it and don't end up making a bad edit in fifty places. Teyrn of Highever 02:21, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * When you start editing, stop at the end of season 3. That would divide it to 54 for you and 60 for me. Pretty even and I did promise to help. It's just that I've had a string of questionable edits recently and I'd like a model to work off of before I inflict too much damage. Teyrn of Highever 02:36, 9 March 2011 (CET)
 * Nonsense! (Plus, I don't think there's room for damage in such an easy project.) But deal. I'll do the first three seasons. I was thinking we'd do 57 episodes each, but this way it won't be confusing. Sanfazer 02:50, 9 March 2011 (CET)

So I don't know if you were on, but I posted on my talk page what Svip wrote on his. I made an attempt and did some test edits but couldn't get it to work. Since you have more experience with this website, hopefully you can figure it out. Teyrn of Highever 15:47, 10 March 2011 (CET)
 * The discussion continues at User talk:Teyrn of Highever.

New New York Historical Society building
Can you chime in on the talk page for this article? You made it and I'm a bit confused about what you have done. Teyrn of Highever 23:36, 22 March 2011 (CET)
 * The discussion continues at Talk:New New York Historical Society building.

Your Promotion
Congratulations. Unless you didn't want it, then "I'm sorry?" The preceding unsigned comment was written by Teyrn of Highever.
 * No, I totally wanted it. Thanks for dropping by! Sanfazer 21:07, 4 April 2011 (CEST)

Protections
When I was performing my recent edits, I noticed that the transcript for Space Pilot 3000 was protected. Svip protected it claiming that he saw no reason for unregistered users to edit transcripts. However, this is the one of the only transcripts that is protected. It may be the only one, I haven't checked them all. Do you think that this page should be unprotected or that the other transcripts should be protected for the same reason? I was going to post on Svip's page but I know that you are online and it would be better to get multiple admins opinions on this, anyway. Teyrn of Highever 22:37, 4 April 2011 (CEST)
 * I'm undecided. Most of the edits that need to be made to these pages are the creation of links to existing pages and renamings to fit these pages. In my opinion, registered users would be better for this for the simple fact that they spend more time on the site and know more about the pages that already exist. Having said that, if you exclude the two of us and DeepSpaceHomer, many of the changes made are by IPs rather than registered users. Vandalism is usually quickly fixed and you have to take into account the fact that you can't protect every single page. Teyrn of Highever 22:37, 4 April 2011 (CEST)
 * I'm afraid I can't be much help here, Teyrn. If Svip protected the 1ACV01 transcript and didn't do anything about the rest, then his two cents are the ones worth being given. But you're right that it doesn't make sense to protect every single page. Sanfazer 17:05, 5 April 2011 (CEST)

Crew professions
I noticed the edit you made to the Mark Hamill article, and that made me think of something. The crew infobox says that the listed profession should be what the person in question does on the show. But when I've created or edited a crew article, I sometimes state all their professions, period. So should the standard be to list the professions both on and off the show? -- DeepSpaceHomer 01:11, 11 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Come to think of it, no. This is a Futurama wiki, so what matters the most is the Futurama standpoint. The infobox shouldn't be our take on the person's life. That's why they have Wikipedia. However, I see no object for off-show professions to still be referred to in the rest of the article. I've re-edited Mark Hamill and added a small notification to Template:Crew infobox/doc accordingly. Sanfazer 20:10, 11 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Very true. I will try to remember to keep these things focused on the subject of this website. -- DeepSpaceHomer 20:25, 11 April 2011 (CEST)
 * So will I. Sanfazer 23:21, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

Vandalism
ZappBranniganKifKroker started up again. He didn't respond to my post on his talk page, so I wanted get some input over what the next course of action should be. Teyrn of Highever 22:57, 18 April 2011 (CEST)
 * I put something on his talk page. I may have been a little harsh, but I'm in a mood today and not willing to coddle vandals. Teyrn of Highever 23:16, 18 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Given that he's failed to explain himself, I had no other option but to block him. You served your wiki well, Teyrn. Appreciate it. Sanfazer 00:09, 19 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Saw it, thanks. Teyrn of Highever 00:21, 19 April 2011 (CEST)

The people hose
I saw that you undid my edit. I know that you thought it was preference but, from my standing, it's a grammatical error. It may be a difference between dialects but I was taught that "former and latter" are only to be used when differentiating between two things. Given that there are "three generic types of stock characters", former would be incorrect. Teyrn of Highever 00:27, 19 April 2011 (CEST)
 * I see. If you weren't doing what I thought you were doing, be my guest to undo my edit and link here as a justification. Sanfazer 00:30, 19 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Thanks. Is this a difference between BrE and AmE or just a misunderstanding about my reasoning? If it's a valid difference, I'm happy to leave it. Teyrn of Highever 00:33, 19 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Misunderstanding. Sanfazer 00:35, 19 April 2011 (CEST)

Another Unknown Homeless Robot
Hey, I know that you can't get to your computer for a bit longer, but could you check out this page when you get a chance? You started a conversation about if it should be deleted and I wanted to know if your thoughts have changed in the past few months. If they haven't, might I suggest using your amazing powers to have this page removed? Teyrn of Highever 00:38, 25 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Deleted it. Thank you for the reminder. Sanfazer 00:48, 26 April 2011 (CEST)
 * No problem. Teyrn of Highever 00:55, 26 April 2011 (CEST)

Cameos
I've seen around the site that you are changing some character appearances from (at the 100th Delivery Party) to cameo, with a link to the party. I've started doing that on some of the pages, before I go on a editing spree, I have to ask, is this just organization or is there something bigger? Also, can you confirm that the edits I've made so far conform to your plans? I don't want to edit 100+ pages only for you to change your mind. Teyrn of Highever 23:11, 26 April 2011 (CEST)
 * There is something bigger: (Not very big, relax.) I will create a template in the near future in order to make the whole thing look prettier, and, while I don't, I thought I'd have things set up. But it's also "organisation". (It couldn't not be!) The edits you've made are almost perfect, except for the fact that Donbot and Fanny are major characters in ITWGY. Sanfazer 23:19, 26 April 2011 (CEST)
 * D'oh! I'll fix that. Teyrn of Highever 23:21, 26 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Fixed. If I have time, should I go ahead and edit the others or should I leave it alone? The preceding unsigned comment was written by Teyrn of Highever.
 * If you do have time, please edit as many of them as you can. This isn't a one-user job, you know. Sanfazer 23:29, 26 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Isn't a one-user job? Oops, already done. Date scene, Audience scene and 100th delivery party taken care off. I tried to make sure that I didn't downgrade a characters appearance to cameo, but one or two may have slipped through. Teyrn of Highever 01:33, 27 April 2011 (CEST)
 * A better example something that "isn't a one-user job" is changing the the wikipedia templates on old articles to the new standard. Much more mindless and dull, also. At least I had to do some thinking while implementing this standard. Teyrn of Highever 22:13, 27 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Just ran the numbers, I performed 213 edits yesterday. roughly 170-180 were changing the appearances to the new format, though some pages were edited multiple times. Any other big, mindlessly repetitive, projects that you would like done? Teyrn of Highever 15:24, 27 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Not at the moment, no. But, if the need arises, I'll surely contact you. I'm thrilled to see you continue to be available to take on tasks of such commitment. Sanfazer 23:43, 27 April 2011 (CEST)
 * Don't mention it. Teyrn of Highever 23:47, 27 April 2011 (CEST)

Talk:Fratbots
Can you explain what you meant about changes? Teyrn of Highever 01:18, 28 April 2011 (CEST)
 * I meant I wouldn't change Waterfall family that day. Sanfazer 00:08, 29 April 2011 (CEST)

Disambiguation
Is there a standard for when a title may refer to multiple pages? I thought that if there are only two pages with similar names, one page could link to another without having to go through a disambiguation page. Mother's Day is an example of what I was thinking. But there are some pages like Employee lounge and Reginald Hopelessness, that just go to the disambiguation page. Is this something that should be fixed or is editor preference? Teyrn of Highever 21:53, 5 May 2011 (CEST)
 * The standard is basically a disambiguation page is used when the subjects follow into the same level of importance. Take Joe, all its subjects included are equal important if you catch my drift.  However, one person is more likely to be interested in the character of Al Gore than the voice actor/real person.  Does that mean a character page precedes a voice actor page?  No, because I would say the reverse is true in the case of Katey Sagal.
 * The only exception to this rule is episode pages, which always precedes other articles. --Sviptalk 22:06, 5 May 2011 (CEST)
 * Okay, got it. Thanks. Teyrn of Highever 22:19, 5 May 2011 (CEST)

Special guests
Hi. Could you take a look over yonder? We have ourselves a conundrum that could use some input. -- DeepSpaceHomer 02:35, 10 May 2011 (CEST)
 * Ooh, conundrum. Nice word. Teyrn of Highever 02:39, 10 May 2011 (CEST)
 * Done. Sanfazer 00:27, 11 May 2011 (CEST)

Year articles in "What's New"
No year articles on the front page? Oh, I didn't know that. I learn something new every day. -- DeepSpaceHomer 20:56, 2 June 2011 (CEST)
 * So do I! (They're too small.) Sanfazer 20:59, 2 June 2011 (CEST)
 * Learning is key! BTW, thanks for cleaning up my errors.  I may have made a mess of this place yesterday. -- DeepSpaceHomer 21:37, 2 June 2011 (CEST)
 * Not to worry. That's what I'm here for. [Laughs out loud.] Sanfazer 21:40, 2 June 2011 (CEST)

Hey
What's with you being all gone since June 6? Miss you! - akitalk 19:49, 15 June 2011 (CEST)
 * I decided to take a break. But I couldn't miss the new season, so I'm officially back now. Anyway, the future is here and so am I! Sanfazer 22:03, 23 June 2011 (CEST)
 * Yay! Welcome! - akitalk 23:27, 23 June 2011 (CEST)
 * Thanks. It's good to be back. Sanfazer 23:29, 23 June 2011 (CEST)

moving Hyper-Chicken to Matcluck
Hey, I was wondering, why hasn't this article been moved to Matcluck? We know his name, so it seems logical to move the article to his actual name. I would have just moved the page, but I thought it would be good to get other opinions first. Thegreyanomaly 21:02, 8 July 2011 (CEST)
 * The discussion continues at User talk:Aki.

"Template:New conference table thread"
My mistake deleting this. I thought it was you accidentally starting a new, empty conference table discussion. Should have looked more carefully. - akitalk 12:41, 22 July 2011 (CEST)
 * Don't worry. I figured it had been something of the like. Sanfazer 15:02, 22 July 2011 (CEST)

RE: Countdown to Reincarnation
Yes Sanfazer, that is fine. No hurt feelings at all. I was just trying to help. Now that you have talked to me I understand and it is totally fine. I know I might seem like a beginner but on the Club Penguin Wiki, the old Club Penguin Wiki, and the other (worse) Futurama Wiki I have really helped and changed them a lot. Anyways, no worries Sanfazer. The fact about the Countdown to Reincarnation edit is fine by me! :) Manbu3 18:25, 6 September 2011 (CEST)


 * Fixed your off-site links. Also, a good rule of the thumb; Futurama articles should have their own articles.  News sites related to Futurama should probably categorised into a single page. --Sviptalk 18:58, 6 September 2011 (CEST)
 * The discussion continues at User talk:Manbu3.

Opinion Needed
Hello and good day, I require your opinion about the page I have linked above. The images of the captions are of a lower quality than the ones I currently have. Mine are in a 16:9 format (800x436), whilst the ones already uploaded are in a 4:3 format (640x480). The 4:3 appear much better as thumbnails and are much more focused on the caption. Mine, on the other hand, are much sharper and and reveal more of the image. (The first image currently uploaded is my own (Lick Screen For "Surprise") and the second is from Buddy13 (A Wholly Owned Subsidiary Of Top Ramen Noodle Corp.). If you could respond to me about this issue as quickly as possible, I would be able to either, undo the change already made or update these images. Thanks in advance. - Barder2000 22:00, 5 October 2011 (CEST)
 * My opinion does not have as much value as Buddy13's might have, since he is the one who uploaded the images and the founder of the wiki, but here it is nonetheless.
 * The image that you uploaded is without a doubt preferable over the one that it replaced, so I see no reason as to why the current pile cannot be updated. However, I would advise you to speak with Buddy first and make sure that there is nothing that we are not taking into account. (The links you used need not have been external:,  . If you wish to use external links anyway, remember that those are not piped.) Sanfazer 23:09, 5 October 2011 (CEST)
 * Alright, thanks for the advice and help with my linking. I shall contact Buddy13 and see what I will do from there. - Barder2000 2:57, 6 October 2011 (CEST)

BBC
The BBC articles have little factual content to them and are mostly made up. I felt it would be better to delete them than have them just sitting there lying. Eladkse (talk) 08:53, 7 November 2011 (CET)
 * The discussion continues at User talk:Eladkse.

RE:Season 7
Hey sanfazer! I figured this would happen. I saw this on wikipedia months ago and last night I decided to do something about it. I saw that there was citation on wikipedia and would put it on but i had nowhere TO put it. So here's the link! (P.S. It's actual name is The Bots and the Bees and not The Bots and The Bees. I couldn't have it with a lowercase t because The Bots and the Bees had already existed and redirected me to Season 7) Manbu3 (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2011 (CET)
 * The discussion continues at User talk:Manbu3.

Volume 6
Yo, cheers for doing that, that's actually what I originally wanted to do, but didn't want to potentially ruin the entire thing. Hah. Thanks, again! RobCollins (talk) 23:41, 21 January 2012
 * No problem. Glad to have helped. Sanfazer (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2012 (CET)

Cropping PNG Images?
What's the best way to do this? I just need to get rid of the black borders at the sides of my caps. :/ DannyJC13 (talk) 02:08, 22 January 2012 (CET)
 * Which season are you getting caps from? If it is from season 1 or from season 2, the borders should be there. Sanfazer (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2012 (CET)

Transcript vs. Subtitles?
Hi there! I notice you edited my "Tanqueraydar" submission for "Fry Am the Egg Man", with the comment "matched to transcript". I was wondering where the transcript came from, and looked at the "Infosphere: Transcript" page. Is it true the transcripts are submitted by viewers/readers? The edit per transcript changes "Tanqueraydar" to "Tanqueray-dar", but I got the word, sans hypen, from the Netflix stream subtitles. Would that not be a reliable source? I'm not trying to be a polemicist; I'm legitimately curious. I have no idea who creates the subtitles; it might be someone who works for some third-party company, without access to the original script. But then, if the transcripts are just submitted by eager fans, is that a better source? And as a portmanteau, "Tanqueraydar" doesn't really seem to need a hyphen. If you can provide any insight, I'd appreciate it. I enjoy the site, and want to be prepared for this kind of thing in future. Thanks!


 * It is usually one of the things we cannot be certain of. But subtitles are not reliable.  They are not made by people with access to the scripts.  There are several cases of spelling mistakes or misunderstandings in subtitles, even on the DVDs.
 * That being said, you may have a point, but I just wanted to remind you that while subtitles may bring up questions whether a transcript is correct or not, they are not themselves reliable sources. --Sviptalk 00:06, 4 March 2012 (CET)

Dude
You're awesome! - akitalk 14:12, 21 April 2012 (CEST)
 * I know - but why are you bringing it up? Sanfazer (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2012 (CEST).

Please Read Properly Next Time
Pippa Middleton is not voicing Bev, it's Wanda Sykes. Re-read the preview article. And delete the Pippa page, please. The article says:

"I can tell you that the rumor I just started that she’ll be voiced by Pippa Middleton is completely untrue. You should know better than to believe such unfounded codswallop. Bev’s voice is in fact provided by the one and only Wanda Sykes!" DannyJC13 (talk) 20:43, 2 May 2012 (CEST)
 * Oops! Will get right on that.  Thanks.  Sanfazer (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2012 (CEST).
 * No problem. :) DannyJC13 (talk) 20:51, 2 May 2012 (CEST)

Another TBATB Storyboard Released
Just thought you should know, they released a bonus storyboard on the Countdown due to the Futurama Facebook page reaching 21 million fans. :) DannyJC13 (talk) 23:58, 7 May 2012 (CEST)
 * Just saw it. Thanks.  Sanfazer (talk) 00:29, 8 May 2012 (CEST).