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Our competition
Our competition, which includes two other wiki's. The community sides in the community portal does work with the same goal. We work to collect all information Futurama, in an objective unbiased (except for the fact that we love the show, so I guess we are biased). But yet, we are the fifth result on Google when searching for futurama wiki. In fact, the best competition we have is Wikipedia, which I am afraid is doing some better jobs on some issues. Also because they have all the delicious extensions. Yum yum. My point is... it has been awfully quiet lately, and also by the spambots. Either we did something efficient, or they are taking a break. But it seems only the regular editors are the one who views this wiki. So uh, we need to spread the word more efficiently.

Also, I'd like permission to edit CSS and Javascript/HTML, please. (you knew this was coming) --SvipTalk 13:52, 14 July 2007 (PDT)
 * Also, if I may add, this wiki does not appear to have an article on The Matt Groening Community Wiki. --SvipTalk 14:03, 14 July 2007 (PDT)
 * I just searched for Futurama wiki on google and now were 4th yeh, not much improvement but still -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 13:54, 25 November 2007 (PST)
 * Would it help if the main page name was changed? When you enter "Futurama Wiki" into Google it's displayed as "Main Page - The Infosphere" - what about "The Infosphere - Futurama Wiki" ? Robot Elder 21 March 2008
 * That is the name of our wiki. I remember reading an article about journalists, news sites and what not, simplifying their article or section names simply for the purpose of appearing higher on Google.  The description of our wiki on Google is very clear about who we are;
 * "Welcome to The Infosphere: A Futurama Wiki, the Futurama memory bank that anyone can edit. We currently have 785 articles [...]"
 * Sadly though, the Futurama Wikia still appears above us. I admit that their name is closer to "Futurama" and it does have their name in the title, but I am still a bit unconvinced.  However, I am not denying the importance, I would just like some suggestions from other SysOps of our fine wiki. --SvipTalk 03:19, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I got an alternative idea, how about we add "From The Infosphere - A Futurama Wiki" on every page just below the title? Because that is possible.  --SvipTalk 05:56, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * It could work, I was under the impression that the key factor was what a page was linked to as though. So I just created a redirect to the main page at Futurama Wiki. We could try placing a hidden link to there on every page. - Quolnok 06:14, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I tried adding the current tagline as you can see. But I was hoping to make it "The Infosphere - A Futurama Wiki" however, that would also make it appear like that in the title as well.  So opinions on that first. --SvipTalk 07:22, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * An alternative appearance could be similar to Wikipedia's; "The Infosphere, a Futurama Wiki". --SvipTalk 07:23, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I just added on the rest of the tagline through CSS. - Quolnok 07:34, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Like I mentioned in the edit summary, that won't do. The sole reason we wanted to do this was to get our position on Google (etc.) higher, but since it is added through CSS, it won't do any good, it has to be content.  And CSS is not regarded as content by search engines.  CSS is merely a layout put over for users of the site with a browser, etc.  --SvipTalk 07:38, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Right, yes, must be time for sleep or something (2am). - Quolnok 07:44, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

Wikia's Futurama wiki
I recently thought only Wikipedia was our enemy, but apparently Wikia's Futurama wiki has been revived. However, while it is obvious that we still have a lot more information (since it appears by the recent changes article that only a single person is making their pages). I am still wondering why they are even bothering. I mean, Wikia might as well go and buy our wiki. However, I have noticed that they don't link to us any more. --SvipTalk 09:53, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Proberbly because if anyone follows the link they'll go wiat a second.... this wiki is much better -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 14:21, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Just an update, this wiki is the third result in Google! Samanathon 22:17, 9 January 2008 (PST)
 * If you search for Futurama alone on Google, we appear on page 3, and I cannot even seen the Wikia wiki by page 12. I say quite good given there are over 13 million results for Futurama on Google.  Hah.  Remember, Google does not base its relevance on links by its titles, but rather by what other sites links to it as.  --SvipTalk 16:19, 25 January 2008 (PST)
 * There are tricks to getting a website higher up on Google's results the interlinking within this wiki could be enough to boost our position, it's what helps other wikis. If there's a wiki for a topic it's almost always on the first few results. The more often we link to Futurama rather than just typing it the better (though adding "Futurama" to articles needlessly is a bad idea). Also, duplicating the Futurama page to Futurama/Futurama and linking between them would help too. That worked for Charlie Todd. - Quolnok 18:26, 25 January 2008 (PST)
 * I've looked at one of the other wikis and it was really hard to navigate - Fryandgarfield
 * Well, we did focus a lot on the navigation lately. We wanted it to become as easy as possible.  We admit though that our system isn't perfect, and still be improved.  Any suggestions are more than welcome.  I have been considering making an Navigation page describing how to use the navigation plus more. --SvipTalk 10:57, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * We are now second, behind only 'kipedia, on google for "Futurama wiki". Also second for "infosphere", but we're the only Futurama page there. - Quolnok 06:50, 12 April 2008 (PDT)

Merchandise
Hey, I was thinking we should maybe include info on Futurama merchandise as well as the fiction? Some suggestions: I got this idea from the Transformers wikia, which obviously is much more closely connected with toys than Futurama, but still thought it might be a good idea. Thoughts? SwitChar 07:35, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Sections on action figures, statues and other toys and such in character articles
 * Similar sections on merchandise in articles on objects, products or animals, like sections on merch incarnations of the PE ship, Slurm or Brain slugs.
 * Articles on certain lines of toys or merchandise like shirts/clothing, the retro tin wind-ups, games etc.
 * I don't know about having it in the articles. They're filled with extraneous info as it is, and any more may burst them! But it really depends on how in-depth the info is, I guess. If it's just a quick "There's a toy of this thing" and a screenshot, that could easily be added... But if it's a detailed description and examination and critical review and notes on all points of articulation, then they probably need their own article (or an article for all merch, each thing with its own section). --Buddy 13:23, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Actually many articles Don't have extraneous info, only a select few do. There actually needs to be more with extraneous info. At least, if you want the informational purpose of the wiki to be fulfilled.Anarchy Balsac 18:47, 4 January 2008 (PST)
 * I agree, for the most part, but anything notable enough to have a toy made of it is likely to be something that has tons of info in the article about it. But yes, many things should be expanded. --Buddy 18:26, 3 February 2008 (PST)

i agree i think we should have an article for all that stuff dr zoidberg 14

I think it would be agood idea because where I live you cant get the figures and i want to know about them. I would be happy to give descriptions on some of the figurines. Fryandgarfield.
 * I can provide photos of my own action figures and one bobble head, but we can also provide a direct link to the relevant page of the company who made them. Sadly, you cannot order online. Which is dumb. Why have a web presence if it's essentially useless? --Buddy 16:07, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
 * There are other sites you can buy from. It's a shame Collectorama seems to have disappeared, they were all about merch. The CGEF Merch page still has lots of the old stuff covered, which will help. - Quolnok 17:02, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

The Films
Let's talk about the films. So far, we are getting a release soon of the first one. However, I hate to admit, but yes, it is already leaked and wild on the Internet. While I do not endorse it, I could simply not wait. So yes, I have watched it. While I will reveal as little of the plot as possible before the film is released. I can tell the following "hard data":

The production code for the film is not XACV01, it is 5ACV01, 5ACV02, 5ACV03, 5ACV04, clearly making the production code for the four episodes it is supposed to be cut into.

Yes, the film has a title caption. And most appropriately it is "It just won't stay dead!", which I suggest as a quote on the front page. That is all for now.

P.S. Don't think I am not getting a real copy of the film, I have already preordered it, so there. I am a honest guy, just a very impatient honest guy. --SvipTalk 02:57, 20 November 2007 (PST)
 * That production code does make more sense. I'm holding out for the release date, the Xth of Y, 200Z. - Quolnok 05:16, 20 November 2007 (PST)

where can you watch it (i also preorderd it so dont think im not doing my part) p.s send me an email if you dont want any one else to know at hwrempel@shaw.ca dr zoidberg 14


 * I have already reserved my copy on Amazon. I see no reason not to post advanced details on the Bender's Big Score page--as long as a spoiler alert is included for people like me who are waiting for the movie to arrive in a mailbox near me. Almost every other show-centric wiki posts advance info on upcoming episodes, and I see this as being no different. But I won't read it until after I watch my copy of the movie. And I won't seek out the internet version. Also, while I was on Amazon, I ordered the 2008 calendar. Hooray Futurama. --Buddy 14:04, 22 November 2007 (PST)
 * Well, I understand your reason, and respect them. Obviously, otherwise you probably ban me or something.  But since you say so, I shall write the plot outline.  However, when you have watched it, there are many discussions to be had. --SvipTalk 16:17, 22 November 2007 (PST)
 * I will never ban for watching pirated material. HOwever, this is not the place to discuss how to attain illegal material (pirated Futurama or otherwise). That would be a bannable offense. Not because I have a moral objection to it (you should see my music collection), but because the site could get in real legal trouble and get shut down if stuff like that started going on here. --Buddy 16:21, 22 November 2007 (PST)

sory dr zoidberg 14

how are they going to make it into eps any way will they take an act and make into one ep will they have diferent pepoles difrent perspectives or what dr zoidberg 14
 * We simply do not know. They may even add some scenes not seen in the films.  Our best bet is to sit back and wait.  --SvipTalk 09:57, 23 November 2007 (PST)
 * *Pleased but sticky* Someone put it on a website stream, there's this program I use to meander about the internet and it somewhat randomly got foisted on me. I tried to hold out (indefinitely, I might add) for the release (for a day or so after finding it), but, well, I couldn't resist. I saw it, I will still eventually buy it as soon as it comes out, whenever that is. Also, it's very hot here. - Quolnok 22:17, 27 November 2007 (PST)
 * Sounds a lot like StumbleUpon, which is exactly how I found it. Stumbling blindly around the internet is fun. --Buddy 13:39, 2 December 2007 (PST)

Not big new for everyone else but now I've seen it -  Humorbot 0.4   13:13, 30 November 2007 (PST)
 * As have I, now that it arrived! Commentaries, special features, scripts... awesome! --Buddy 13:39, 2 December 2007 (PST)

on wikepidea and imdb it says the beast with a billion backs is coming out march 18th and theres also a link to tvbloger but i dont have an acount so i dont know if its relible if any one has any info let me know dr zoidberg 14


 * I have for the sake of our viewers added the date as a rumour. Since we cannot access this blog and get confirmation.  We must remain like this.  But as far as I can tell from the URL, the blog was posted back in September, 2007.  And I am not sure we had any sort of information about this film's release back then. --SvipTalk 15:23, 25 January 2008 (PST)

Why was the beast with a million eyes reference removed? It seems plausible this could be a double reference.Anarchy Balsac 17:17, 26 January 2008 (PST)

Background Jokes
I was thinking, both the simpsons and Futurama are known for their background jokes. Should there be a list for the background jokes on every episode? I think if we're to be a collective hub of Futurama info it would be important to do so.Anarchy Balsac 18:35, 7 January 2008 (PST)

do you mean a master list or for each episode dr zoidberg 14

Yeah, something like a trivia list except it says "background jokes" as its title.Anarchy Balsac 07:01, 11 January 2008 (PST)

great idea i say yes dr zoidberg 14


 * Would they need time-indices? --Buddy 18:36, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * Wouldn't hurt, though it would make the task more tedious.Anarchy Balsac 21:21, 15 February 2008 (PST)

You could also make an article containing all the jokes from season 1, one for season 2, one for season 3, one for season 4 and one for the upcoming movies.It would be easier than going through all the episodes and adding a new section. Fryandgarfield
 * Hmm... *searches* reminds me of this group of articles List of computer science references, which aren't linked from anything except each other and are far from complete. - Quolnok 18:26, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I see your point. Maybe we should merge this idea with that one (since most of the computer science references are background jokes anyway) and put it in the sidebar to draw more attention(hence more editing) to it.Anarchy Balsac 12:38, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

Reopen IP edits
We have been running on required registration for a while now, and while it appears to be working just fine, I still feel it would be better if we allowed unregistered people to edit articles. But to avoid spambots we can use one of the following extensions; ConfirmEdit or ReCAPTCHA, I personal suggest the former one. This extension will require users unregistered to enter a CAPTCHA every time they edit. Are you logged in, you are not required to do so. It allows unregistered people to edit small things. E.g. a random bystander who spots an error in article, and just wants to fix it briefly, but has no intention of becoming a full member. Opinions? --SvipTalk 09:23, 12 January 2008 (PST)


 * Sounds good I think its been long enough and the CAPTCHA isea is great -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 12:52, 12 January 2008 (PST)
 * Certainly worth trying it. - Quolnok 18:55, 12 January 2008 (PST)

People who want to seriously contribute will have no trouble signing up. If you aren't too lazy to put in major contributions, you shouldn't be too lazy to sign up. Given how easy it is to DOS wikis, keeping the spam out by preventing the unregistered people from editing is a great idea.Anarchy Balsac 04:42, 13 January 2008 (PST)
 * While I somewhat agree with your statement, I also somewhat disagree. The problem is that a lot of viewers who come here for the purpose of the wiki (delivering information to the public) can at times spot errors in the things we have written and perhaps think that they could just fix that for us (as a gesture), but not for the idea of being a complete member.  But (some of) these people aren't really gonna do that when they are blocked by the "registration required" page.  Which means we can have a good deal of typos left in the wild.  I still think we should try it.  If it is a failure, then we will close it again. --SvipTalk 06:19, 13 January 2008 (PST)


 * Both good arguments, and I cannot decide. And so...

On the matter of re-opening the editing:

dr zoidberg 14
 * SvipTalk
 * Quolnok


 * Anarchy Balsac 01:03, 4 February 2008 (PST)

If "Accept" wins, I'll install that extension as a precaution. And, as was stated, if it works, we can always change it back. --Buddy 18:39, 3 February 2008 (PST)

Looks like "accept" wins. So we'll be re-opening open editing. But I'm in the mood for a break from the technical side of this site for a while, so unless Svip wants to do it (I think he can do it now), it'll be a few weeks. --Buddy 13:28, 4 March 2008 (PST)

IP Edits Open!... and closed ... and reopened!
I have now installed the ReCAPTCHA extension. And now non-logged in users can edit. The CAPTCHA are trigged on the following situations: We will keep it like this for a month, if it goes wrong again, it will be removed. I have kept the old settings in LocalSettings.php, just commented out. --SvipTalk 07:46, 7 March 2008 (PST)
 * Guests creating account.
 * Guests making edit.
 * Guests creating a new page.
 * There will be an extra CAPTCHA for users posting a lot of external links.
 * And so I closed it again, apparently that caused more trouble I had hoped for. Seemed we got a huge amount of 500's all of the sudden.  Maybe it was bad scripted.  I am not sure what exactly did it, but now that it is gone, everything seems to be working again.  However, I still think that the DreamHost servers are a bit too unstable for a site such as this.  I'll look into some other hosts. --SvipTalk 09:12, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Okay, I opened them again, this time I used ConfirmEdit, which is the same extension that Wikipedia uses, it is not as "sophisticated" but also requires less of the system. It will currently only kick in in the following situations: For more information see here. It is possible to make sure it will always put on the CAPTCHA when an unregistered user edits a page. But so far, that is disabled. If you want that, just say so. --SvipTalk 15:39, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Adding of external URLs
 * Creating of account
 * Bad login
 * Okay, so here's the plan. We are going to keep this in place until the end of the month.  That is like ten days.  By 1 April, we will discuss how it works.  We can expect some vandalism, however, people could even register an account to do that if they were willing enough.  But at least we will not be targeted as much by bots now rather than real users.  To sum up, keep it in place, let's evaluate on 1 April, unless something terribly goes wrong! --SvipTalk 06:02, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Sounds like a plan, so we have captcha? - Quolnok 06:08, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Edit: guess not - Quolnok 06:10, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
 * We do, but it only kicks in when the user adds External URLs. However, that probably won't protect against such vandalism as word replacing, page blanking among other stuff.  You want me to enable it for any edit by an unregistered user?  --SvipTalk 08:12, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
 * No,no this is fine I just missed the first of those two posts. We'll see what happens like this. - Quolnok 17:26, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Welcoming IPs
This is technically a public message to Quolnok, but I think there be good reason for sharing with all of you. I have recently noticed that Quolnok have started "welcoming" IP uses. I am personally a lot against that. At least one of the IP users he welcomed was an obvious vandal, welcoming such people seems like accepting what he does. In fact, regardless of what IP users does, you should ONLY open a talk page about them if you have something interesting to tell them, and that does not include a welcome message. I think we need a clear possibly on that. Instead, if you find a particular IP user have contributed a lot, then it would make sense to suggest him/her to get a users. Otherwise let them be. Most IP users only come here to make ONE change and then disappear forever. It is like welcoming people to your house who just passes by. --SvipTalk 07:16, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Actually, the only time I bother welcoming IPs is when they are vandals or frequent contributors. Why? Because I don't think blocking them permanently on first sight, which I've seen you do, is the best option. As I see it the welcome message is one of the best ways to deal with first time offenders, as it gives them the ground rules and makes them aware that we are watching. I believe I also did this back before we closed IP edits if the person did something minor, though not necessarily with the whole template. If the vandalism is major or frequent or a weird cult (yes I'm serious about that happening once, though I may be exaggerating slightly {see deleted article "Jemasony"}) there was the block button. What we may actually need is a standard way of dealing with vandals. Obviously, we don't want the million different form notices that 'kipedia has, but I couldn't find or think of anything that did it better than the welcome template. - Quolnok 08:19, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I see your point, and it was mainly to open a discussion on this issue. I think we need to reformulate the welcome message specifically for IP users, which includes suggestions to join and not to vandalise.  And also highlights the rules in greater effect.  In a related matter, I think we need to add to the notice when users edit pages without being logged in with something along the lines of "You are not logged in.  Your IP address will be logged for this edit, we suggest you register if you don't want it logged.  Since you are an unregistered users, chances are you have not read our rules yet." with links where appropriate.  --SvipTalk 08:25, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

Interwiki link!
I have a week suggested to add infosphere: in the general Interwiki map, this means that on wikis like Wikipedia, writing Main Page will link them here. You can read the discussion here;. While there is no decision yet, the user Lar says that if no one objects, it will be included in next round they add interwikis. We can only hope. --SvipTalk 14:12, 16 January 2008 (PST)
 * If all goes as planned, it will be listed here. --SvipTalk 14:15, 16 January 2008 (PST)
 * That's awesome Svip! Great idea!! Samanathon 11:06, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * I suggetsted that a while back, I guess we were still to young then... - Quolnok 20:16, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * \o/ It has been added, you can see it on the list here. And see the discussion here.  Note, that the update of the interwiki database is updated every few months, last time was in September, so it can only be soon. --SvipTalk 06:03, 30 January 2008 (PST)
 * Awesome, awesome to the max. - Quolnok 16:44, 30 January 2008 (PST)
 * Freakin' sweet! So now, on Wikipedia articles, they just have to type Philip J. Fry to link to our article? That's mega-awesome. --Buddy 18:40, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * They just recently had a database update, so I tested it on Wikipedia and other WikiMedia Foundation sites, and it works. Sadly though, it still points to the old URL.  I requested an update to that though. --SvipTalk 16:39, 29 February 2008 (PST)
 * But now we've fixed the problem, thanks to you guys. So even the old URL will link them to the correct location. We can add it to be updated next time, but for now it'll work just fine. You guys are awesome! --Buddy 13:26, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Ah, good news, everyone, they have just updated our interwiki link (check out the map and the discussion). I have also done some research, the list on the database is included when new people install MediaWiki, which means that on future created independent Wikis (using the MediaWiki software of course) would have our interwiki link. Not that it means that much for them, but it is fun to consider. Heh. Last database update was 10 February, 2008. But I checked some discussion talking about updating it once a month. --SvipTalk 15:01, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

theinfosphere.org
Done! I've registered "theinfosphere.org" as our new address. Don't change your bookmarks just yet, as things have yet to DNS-ify, as well as the fact that I'll need to migrate the site over once that is complete. I'll still mirror things at futurama.overt-ops.com, since there are lots of links out there on the web (in fact, see if you can get them to change the interwiki link thingy for our new address). But yes, the transaction is final and the domain is ours. http://theinfosphere.org hooray.
 * Aha! Nice, you know, you can just do a symlink (if hosted on the same machine) to this directory (which is futurama.overt-ops.com) and then put it where the new domain is (which is theinfosphere.org):
 * ln -s futurama.overt-ops.com theinfosphere.org
 * If it is as on usual Dreamhost servers. At least though, in the futurama.overt-ops.com, change the server to "theinfosphere.org" in the LocalSettings.php file, it will make sure that all links will point to the new server, so old links will get people the right place. :) --SvipTalk 08:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * I'm definitely thinking of doing this thingy. It may solve the problems we're having. The mirroring seems to have kicked in overnight, but now you're saying mirroring is bad. So I may need to try this method you've outlined here. --Buddy 11:17, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * Just make sure you do it right. I hope you are aware how symlinks work!  Also, if possible, can you not check the error log?  It may tell us why the images are denied.  Because I can tell that it is denied when the browser sends a reference to the image, without it works.  I am not sure where this "hotlinking" block is.  Alternative, you could write to Dreamhost to ask how to get rid of it or whitelist the images. --SvipTalk 12:06, 16 February 2008 (PST)

What happened
The total outage was caused by the fact that I attempted to put things back the way they were: I moved the files back to futurama.etcetera and disabled the mirroring. However, after the mirroring was fully disabled, it still didn't load up the files that were there. I was thinking that if I could move everything back, I could start from scratch and actually get some advice from knowledgeable people before doing stupid sh*t like I seem to do. Anyway, I let that sit for around forty-eight hours, and when it didn't fix itself, I moved the files back to theinfosphere.org, which is still working fine. So, all the files are now at this new address, and the mirroring is still disabled (hence the no-workingness of the other url). As for the images, yes. If disabling referring url's clears up the problem, then it obviously really is the whitelist/hotlink block. I have viewed the .htaccess file and can see no references. However, the original hotlink block was set up via dreamhost's panel. But now, when attempting to view the hotlink settings, it says none are set up. So the move retained the settings, but made dreamhost's panel not recognize them anymore somehow. I would be glad to hear any advice you may have on how to solve this problem, as I am apparently very, very dumb. --Buddy 16:14, 21 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well, I know sometimes when settings are lost you can just set them again and it over rights the old stuff. Not that I've even done it on a web server. Is it possible the settings are somehow still on the old location (probably not if you moved all the data). Dreamhost is probably doing things in a non standard way if there's nothing in the htaccess. - Quolnok 17:44, 21 February 2008 (PST)
 * Also, when this is sorted again we might as well leave a notice, redirect and/or mirror at the old address. - Quolnok 19:03, 21 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well, my first suggestion would be to give DreamHost a call on how to remove the mirroring. Alternatively look for similarities of this in the .htaccess files, I know you said there weren't any in it right now, so it is plausible that the information DreamHost keeps for such is done another place.  So instead, try an enable the blocking and then disable it.  That may overwrite it like Quolnok said.  But write a mail to DreamHost while you're at it... couldn't hurt! --SvipTalk 03:28, 22 February 2008 (PST)

Happy Anniversary
I'm a bit late, but as of 20080130, the wiki is two years old. Congrats to all, and may we continue on, ad infinitum. --Buddy 18:31, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * Till the end of time, or more likely the real Infosphere returns and fulfil its task. Perhaps in an alternative reality.  Congratulations. --SvipTalk 05:50, 4 February 2008 (PST)
 * Huzzah! I'm a little surprised I found this place so early in it's life. - Quolnok 06:08, 4 February 2008 (PST)
 * I understand why I found it like a year and a month into its age (or so). Cause I first got into Futurama in the last weekend of January, 2007.  Where I watched all episodes in three days due to a tip from a friend.  Ever since then, I have been hooked! --SvipTalk 06:13, 4 February 2008 (PST)

what day is today its the infosphers birthday what day for a birthday lets all have some cake dr zoidberg 14

We are back online!
After a few days of downtime, we are finally back up and running. The images are working, the new domain is working, but the old domain isn't, however, I have informed Buddy on how to fix it. I welcome you all to the new domain. :) --SvipTalk 05:35, 28 February 2008 (PST)
 * Hooray, we're back, I'll check the owl traps. - Quolnok 05:42, 28 February 2008 (PST)
 * Yall should have redirected it, I went searching on google and everything and only found dead links to the old URL.Anarchy Balsac 19:45, 4 March 2008 (PST)
 * Try again. I just checked the google links and they all work fine. And they've already registered the new domain, so searches for "Futurama WIki" lead to the new domain, but we've dropped below the wikia wiki. I really don't know how to fix that, but maybe the Interwiki linking will help, since we can put links in Wikipedia on Futurama-related pages and such. --Buddy 18:58, 5 March 2008 (PST)
 * Yeah, the old URL finally redirected me here(albiet, with a typo) which is how I found this place. I seriously thought the place went over it's size limit(which is not uncommon with wikis).Anarchy Balsac 21:09, 6 March 2008 (PST)

were back baby dr zoidberg 14

And we owe it all to Svip. After being retarded for two or three weeks (surely it wasn't a month? (refuses to check dates)), I just gave svip some good ole FTP access, and he had it fixed in what I can assume was three seconds. Let us all give Svip a round of applause! --Buddy 14:59, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * Redirect at old domain seems faulty; this http://futurama.overt-ops.com/Fry/o takes you to theinfosphere.orgfry/o probably redirecting from futurama.overt-ops.com/ (with slash) to theinfosphere.org (without slash) or similar.- Quolnok 16:38, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * Yes, I know. I have no idea what the dilly-yo. Oddness indeed. --Buddy 17:34, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * If on the actual redirect itself only futurama.overt-ops has a slash; Put a slash on the other. If neither do, add them in. If both do remove them. Or if redirects are set up in a way where you can only see one link, remove or add the slash. Those are my guesses. - Quolnok 17:53, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * Quolnok is right, Buddy, you have to add a slash at the end of the redirect. It is important, you might have to delete the domain once more and "recreate" it.  Remember domain: futurama.overt-ops.com redirect: http://theinfosphere.org/ .  Do it like that and it should work.  I have tried it myself using DreamHost's systems.  But the slash is important. --SvipTalk 04:07, 4 March 2008 (PST)
 * Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Well, I'll get to that as soon as Dreamhost is accessible again. They seem to be offline...--Buddy 13:21, 4 March 2008 (PST) [update]: Done and done. Thanks all for the assistance. Hopefully it'll be a while before I have to do anything else technical, since apparently I'm really bad at it. And right now my emails won't send (yet oddly I can receive), so I have that problem to try to fix as well... --Buddy 13:24, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Special:Allmessages
Have some of you have probably noticed, I have deleted a whole lot of pages (154) in recent changes (as of right now (note: This link will take you to the time where the entire log of deleted pages is shown for future references)). These pages are part of Special:Allmessages, which keeps a list of all messages. I noticed that several of them were out of date, and I presumed they must have stayed with the upgrade of the wiki, since they all had the same user as contributor: "MediaWiki default". So I deleted those out of date, those with spelling errors and those that simply looked too much like the default one anyway. But I kept some (you can see that from the list by hitting the "show modified only" button (note: it first appears when the page is fully loaded, it takes a while as it is very big)).

Of course, only sysops can edits these messages, but if Buddy feels it would be cool if it said "timeline" rather than "history" on each page, this is where he should go. I am only writing this to inform you why there is this huge amount of deleted pages in the recent changes page right now. --SvipTalk 08:33, 9 March 2008 (PDT)

New extensions!
I took the liberty of installing some interesting extensions to our wiki. Namely ImageMap and SyntaxHighlight GeSHi. The first provides the possibility to create image maps, where specific parts of an image is clickable, perfect for family tress, etc. The second provides us with syntax highlighting. Both of them comes with two new tags: and. Check out their pages for more information on usage. --SvipTalk 16:06, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Ugh, apparently the SyntaxHighlight extension requires a hook added in MediaWiki 1.11.0, and we are using 1.10.0. If Buddy upgrades the Wiki via the DreamHost panel, I will let him upgrade it.  If not, I can upgrade it manually.  As a result, I have disabled this extension for now.  If you got any other extensions you'd like to see added to the Wiki, just say so.  Check Wikipedia's Special:Version to see what extensions they use. --SvipTalk 16:14, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * As a treat, I installed two other extensions instead. Namely EasyTimeline and Poem.  The first one allows you to create a timeline using some syntax as apparent from its article.  The second one is poem, which is super simple, it just adds the tag, which allows you to have "poem" like formatting inside.  This is especially useful for our quotes, song lyrics, transcripts and what not.  --SvipTalk 16:40, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Because of the move, Dreamhost no longer recognizes the install. From now on, you can upgrade whenever you want. :D I look forward to seeing what kind of fun stuff people do with the new extensions. --Buddy 17:19, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Since I just upgraded, I have added some extensions that can work with the current version, such as an extension that allows you to dismiss the sitenotice, neat, eh? I also installed the syntax highlighter again, which you can see highlights our sources: MediaWiki:Common.js. :) --SvipTalk 17:52, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

New quote style.
As apparent from the discussion above, I added an extension that gives use the, this is useful for our quotes, so I have written the following template (Template:Q) to create a new system, you can check out the template page on how to use it. Opinions? --SvipTalk 16:59, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I have tried it on Miscellany of Bender's Big Score for a real world example! --SvipTalk 17:07, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * At first I didn't see much of a change there, but it gets rid of the need to use  tags so it'll probably help the casual editors. - Quolnok 19:28, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

Upgrade completed.
As you can see on the Special:Version page, we are now on version 1.11.3. So far it appears the upgrade went without a hitch. However, if you do discover an issue, please report it here. I suggest you do some tests. Now I can activate some of those extensions I wanted to do before. --SvipTalk 17:46, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Woah, here is an upgrade twist, apparently the newer version has a lessen (or better) way to judge whether articles are actually "content" worthy. So now we have Special:Statistics articles.  Woah.  That is an increase of over 100 from before and after the upgrade.  And it really makes it clear that we have more articles than that Wikia wiki, because they are probably on the newest MediaWiki, and theirs says 500 something articles.  Eat it, everyone who hasn't won a Nobel Prize!  And that includes you, Amy. --SvipTalk 17:59, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Actually they seem to be running an outdated alpha version, higher number than ours but not as good as 'kipedia's alpha. Otherwise, woohoo we win by even more! - Quolnok 19:35, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Another thing that makes me more confident in this version, is that the statistics page now say we have over 1300 files uploaded, the previous version said about 300. And browsing the file list, it is clear that we have above a thousand files uploaded.  I mean, think of all the screen caps of title captions, opening cartoons, and what not?!  I also feel the newer version is slightly faster than the previous one. --SvipTalk 04:34, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

Google Analytics
I was thinking that this wiki have grown up, it is time for getting some analytics about our wiki. I can highly recommend Google Analytics. I have been using for several sites, and it is super easy to set up. All I need is your opinion, and I shall set it up and share the analytics with the SysOps who wish to see them (e-mail me your Google Account (you don't need a gmail account to have a Google Account) and I shall invite you). --SvipTalk 07:37, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, I went ahead and did it anyway! If you do not approve, I can always get it removed again.  It did require me to change the /skins/MonoBook.php file to insert the code, so it appears at the bottom of every page.  But since it is at the bottom, it is the last thing that is executed, and thus it will not slow down the site.  If any SysOps want to see the analytics as well, just e-mail me or something with your Google Account e-mail and I shall add you. :) --SvipTalk 08:03, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, ever since the last upgrade, the Dreamhost stats page is gone anyway (the mediawiki treats it as a normal page request and then says it doesn't exist anymore), so I'm glad we'll have something. It was always fun to see what search terms got people here ("sexlexia" was always popular), and what sites linked to us. So yeah, sounds snazzy. I see no links at the bottom of the pages, though. And I have no google account that I'm aware of, so let me know what I need to do to get in on this. :D --Buddy 13:25, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Apply for any of Google's services, e.g. Google Calendar, Google Reader, Google Mail or whatnot. Any of these will allow you to get a Google account.  The easiest way is to sign up for Gmail. --SvipTalk 15:19, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * For more information, I suggest you see this. --SvipTalk 16:17, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I'm guessing you mean to email through the wiki's email system. I might as well take a look. - Quolnok 19:04, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * And you, sir, would have guessed correctly. --SvipTalk 19:24, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Not to be an annoyance, but I do prefer to get some sort of confirmation that you actually got the ability to see the reports. So... well... did you? --SvipTalk 09:44, 12 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Whoops, yes I can see it. - Quolnok 18:24, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

I accidentally signed up for a google account (long story), so what information do you need from me to get me the information I need from you in order to see the information I'd like to see from google? --Buddy 19:38, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * The email your account is attached to. Remember you have to log in with an email address, and that is the one I need for the account.  So send me that information (the email address) and I'll add you.  Sorry for the redundancy. --SvipTalk 05:00, 23 March 2008 (PDT)
 * You can, if you want, send me an email with your email, if you don't it shown on this page for all to see. --SvipTalk 09:57, 23 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Sweet. It's just jcrogers@overt-ops.com --Buddy 12:02, 23 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Okay, invited you, please to confirm it. --SvipTalk 09:28, 24 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Would that I could. I cannot see such an invite anywhere. Would it come to my email, or would I find it somewhere in my google account? Neither of which can I see. If it's an email, it's possible it got flagged as junk, so I might have to go through there... not a pleasing thought... ;) --Buddy 08:49, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Actually, I never saw an actual invite in email form, just log in to your google account and there should be an analytics link. - Quolnok 17:13, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Interesting side note, Alexa have us listed. Accordingly, 0.00007% of all Internet users visits our site.  Huh!  What you think of that?!  --SvipTalk 04:09, 25 March 2008 (PDT)

The Infosphere in other languages?
While editing the dubbing article (which I personally am very proud of right now), I was thinking about the possibility for having this Wiki in other languages, similar to Wikipedia. Personally, I would love to be able to contribute with a Danish version. And I personally wouldn't mind accessing da.infosphere.org/ ;) But the question really is; is there a need for it?  Or are we unable to handle more as it is? --SvipTalk 09:48, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Actually, it'd be da.theinfosphere.org infosphere.org has another owner. There's been a discussion about this before, I beleive the only reason this didn't pan out was that none of the sysops spoke other languages at the time, clearly you now are and do so something could happen. Also I just discovered the German wiki - futuramapedia, which seems to have died. - Quolnok 19:58, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
 * You know... there also was a Spanish Futurama wiki, which died out as well. But with our Wiki's activeness (which is quite spectacular), we could easily invite people of other languages to get their own wiki on this site.  I did attempt to contact the people on that German wiki, but apparently they have restricted registration and the ability to contact people to ... no one.  So well, that wasn't possible.  And my German isn't that good.  Also, the last activity there was 18 January, 2008.  Also, I simply forgot the the in the link.  :( Sorry.  However, if we do that, would it not be advisable to have en.theinfosphere.org as well?  And simply redirect every link from theinfosphere.org/ to en.theinfosphere.org/?  Anyway, we need some foreign language contributors that's for sure.  Wiki articles doesn't write themselves!  But I am really only any good with Danish.  But I think maybe foreigners would like the idea of being able to contribute in their own language. --SvipTalk 03:51, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Also, if we decide to do it, we could put a notice on the Main Page to inform about the new localisations we have. Of course, we would then also recommend any willing contributors for another localisation to sign up.  Of course, each new localisation would have to go through a progress.  Cause, let's face it, here I can claim to speak Danish, but you will never really know if I can, will you?  Not unless you got another Danish speaking fellow to verify it for you.  I am not lying about my ability to speak Danish, I am using it as an example.  I was thinking of a notice similar to that on the English Wikipedia's Main Page. --SvipTalk 04:37, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I know, I know, but I thought Buddy would make some sort of statement on this now that he made one on the date format, but alas! Anyway, while I do admit that Danish isn't one of the major languages of the world, it is the only one (other than English) any of us (real contributors) can speak, write, etc.  Well... since it is my mother tongue.  But I think we can use it as a message to people who wants a Futurama wiki in their language.  Cause when they see there is a Danish Infosphere, they will think; "maybe I can get it in my language as well."  Of course, I will write on the Danish Infosphere, but I think it needs to be sort of a "sales message," if you catch my drift. --SvipTalk 16:02, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * No comment from me. I'm not sure logistically how something like that works. The trouble is with getting translators and making sure the content is consistent throughout. --Buddy 17:08, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Well, if you don't like that, you can always have Archduke Chocula... eh... sorry, was in Futurama mode. Anyway, what I meant, is that we could make a "search" for foreign contributors, then make a guide (e.g. Other Language Version or something) which described how to suggest a foreign language, some rules of engagement, and of course that every suggestion needed to be discussed. For instance, we must be sure that the contributor will be a real contributor, and not someone would will vanish as soon as it has been created. There we will require their e-mail and we will do a test if it is working. Stuff like that. Then we will discuss the suggestion. Sort of like when I suggested our Interwiki link for MediaWiki, eh? Cause to be honest, there are some serious Futurama fan sites in other languages than English. And encouraging them to help on in their own language and perhaps also then the English version our popularity would only go one way. And that way is up! Never underestimate the importance of non-English sites. I am just thinking that a Danish Infosphere (which would be maintained) would be a good encouragement for speakers of other languages. And Buddy you do need to make a comment, cause you're the one who is going to make the subdomain at the DreamHost panel! I'll do the rest. --SvipTalk 15:10, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I didn't mean I'd ignore the subject, I just meant that I had no opinion. If we decide to go forward, I'll gladly create the appropriate sub-domains. And it seems it is going forward, so let me know which ones we need to start with (en, de, and whatever Danish is?) :D --Buddy 19:39, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

i could contribute a german version dr zoidberg 14

Standardised date format?

 * Conclusion: New standard date format:  DD Month, YYYY .

I have noticed that around this Wiki we have several versions of writing dates and I was thinking it might be high time for a standardisation on that issue. Personally I prefer the format ,  (e.g. "17 March, 2008"), most people in the world use it, and it doesn't require you to end the date part in st/nd/rd/th, and it allows people to interpret it the way they like. Mainly because writing it that way is hardly like you pronounce it in English (you do pronounce it this way in most other languages though, English is just weird when it comes to date formats), it will allow people to adopt their own pronunciation of it. I mean people are quite aware what "17 March, 2008" means. Point is, I am just wondering if we should keep the unorganised format of the dates as it is right now or make a standard. --SvipTalk 13:50, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
 * If we don't officially have a standard (I can't remember) I prefer that format too. Most of our traffic does come from Americaland though and they almost all use March 17, 2008. One thing for sure is that we can't use a format with a numerical month because that leads to confusion when the day is less than 13. - Quolnok 20:04, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Yes, months should be spelt, rather than numerically represented. Even if it's just the first three letters, like "Aug" or whatever. THough that makes "Jun" and "Jul" look dumb. As for the format...
 * I believe this falls under the category of UK vs US English (sort of). Do people outside the US actually say "Seventeen March, two thousand eight"? I mean, I know they write it that way, but I've never heard it spoken that way. Most British people I'm exposed to are actually speaking for American-made shows (like Discovery Channel shows), so they're probably made to Americanize it. And the few non-Americanized Brits I've heard never say the date (Why doesn't Red Dwarf have a calendar?!). Anyway, since Futurama is an American show, we could make an argument for the American method, but since the rest of the world is bigger, we could also make an argument for the other way. My personal method is completely different from both (now is: 20080318-1618), but it's not an easily-readable format. And yes, this question has come up before. Before archiving, if I remember, so I can't point to the previous discussion (nor can I remember what was decided...) But perhaps we should vote, though I'm sure I can predict the outcome. Personally, I have no problem with the non-US method of writing it, so whatever you guys decide. :D (All that text, and what did I really say? Nuttin', that's what.) --Buddy 15:24, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * No, they don't pronounce it that way, no one does (in English), but all other European languages (well almost I suppose, I haven't really checked them ALL) write dates in that format. Which is the standard format of writing dates in the EU now.  It is also widely accepted elsewhere in the world, even in North America in more "official" thingies.  I mean, even the MediaWiki system makes the dates like that when we sign our posts! --SvipTalk 15:27, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I'm pretty sure most of Australia pronounces it in that order, shoving in a "th", "rd" or "st" and an "of" after the day but before the month, I sure do. - Quolnok 17:54, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, yeah. Of course. In the US, the common(er) way of saying the date is "March eighteenth, two thousand eight". You'll also hear "The eighteenth of March", but it's less common, and rarely do people write it this way. Personally, I'm all for the "DD Month, (YY)YY" method. Those are standard date annotations, BTW. Spelling out the word "Month" indicates that the month should be spelled out (duh). Anyway, yeah. All in favour? (signature follows, including Wiki-format date...) [edit]: See this for some interesting info on the subject. --Buddy 18:47, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Then it's settled. --SvipTalk 03:46, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

The tagline
"From the Infosphere, a Futurama Wiki" -- Personally, I've always written it as "The" Futurama wiki. It makes us sound more important. --Buddy 19:53, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Sure, but why not also add it to the front page? --SvipTalk 05:07, 23 March 2008 (PDT)

im for it dr zoidberg 14
 * Buddy, do a search for "futurama wiki" on Google, most likely Wikipedia will come on first. Notice its name "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" (though it should be spelt "encyclopaedia"), I was thinking do the same thing, just "The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki".  I know it would appear on ever page in every title (that is the tag).  But I still think it would boost our position on Google. --SvipTalk 16:27, 24 March 2008 (PDT)
 * First, a point. Just because US English is different from UK English does not make one right and the other wrong. Encyclopedia is a perfectly fine way to spell it. Especially a US-based site like Wikipedia. And on the other note, yes. I'll change the title of the wiki. If'n I can remember how. --Buddy 08:55, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Hey, don't mind my thoughts about encyclopaedia :P It was in a brackets for a reason (i.e. just ignore it).  Seriously though, I can change it.  But have we decided on "The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki"?  (which btw is similar in format to Wikipedia's). --SvipTalk 09:01, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I assume by your silence that it is okay. So as you can see, I've done it.  Happy?  Good. --SvipTalk 10:42, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
 * The silence results from my absence. But yes. It's like, 3.5 times awesomer now. Good work. --Buddy 11:33, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

Internal Errors
Every few days now I've been hitting internal errors while trying to use the site. usually in the form of a non existent article rather than the error page. When I've actually seen error pages it tends to be one of these:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@theinfosphere.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Internal error

Redirect loop detected!

This means the wiki got confused about what page was requested; this sometimes happens when moving a wiki to a new server or changing the server configuration.

Your web server was detected as possibly not supporting URL path components (PATH_INFO) correctly; check your LocalSettings.php for a customized $wgArticlePath setting and/or toggle $wgUsePathInfo to true.

[infosphereLogoHere] The Infosphere has a problem

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.

Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

(Can't contact the database server: User buddy13 has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections (abreig.overt-ops.com))

- Quolnok 19:05, 23 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, the first one refers to heavy load on the site. The second one... I haven't seen myself.  The last one refers directly to a heavy load on the database.  Since we share our wiki with other sites, we can only make that many connections to the database at once.  The best solution for a fix would be getting our own dedicated server.  But I believe we should first do that when we expect a serious heavy load on our site. --SvipTalk 09:06, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Considering that the traffic to the entire rest of the sites combined (including overt-ops.com, my blog, my photos, and my writings (the latter of which is static and not technically on the database)) is around one percent that of the Infosphere, isn't it possible, nay, likely, that it's just the Infosphere's own traffic? I mean, I'm probably wrong, but that makes sense to me. Would it help to put the infosphere on its own database? the abreig one (what the hell does that mean, anyway? I can't remember naming it that...) is shared by the wordpress for my blog and the other dealy that runs the photo gallery. Is it even possible to migrate it at this point? Cuz I'd do it if it'd help. --Buddy 11:39, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * You really think that only YOUR domains are hosted on that server? A lot of other people (who are not you!) have their domains and database on the same machines as you.  Whether or not the Infosphere is biggest of all those is unknown to me, since I don't know the others.  :S --SvipTalk 12:15, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I said database, not server. I know the machine (which is named Karnov) is shared. But you said the first and third were heavy loads on the site and database, repectively. I was just wondering if splitting the database would help the problem. If the server's overloaded, then there's not much I can do about that at the moment. --Buddy 12:47, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Not sure though... however, it would be more practical for the Infosphere to have its own database. If you go ahead and create one, mail me the log in information, and I shall copy the old database over.  I know how to do that.  While I am doing that I will of course make the Wiki read only.  --SvipTalk 13:20, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * So all I have to do is create a new database and send you the loginfo (see that? I made a portmanteau! (oh how I loathe that word))? Can do! --Buddy 13:24, 27 March 2008 (PDT) [update]: Okay, I created the new DB, and apparently you were already set up as a user on the abreig one, so I added the same user to the new one. I hope you remember your password. If you don't I can send you a new one. The new database is futurama.theinfosphere.org -- creative, I know. I hope that's enough info for you to log in. --Buddy 13:37, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

Character types
I think we can all safely agree on what is a Primary character, but when it comes to Secondary characters and Tertiary characters, it becomes a bit more debatable. According to the current definitions, it goes like this: But here is where the problem is. Some characters will be labelled as tertiary, even though they have a much larger importance than a secondary character. Example, Steve Castle, the man takes over the company, he is one of the main characters in that episode, and that is an undeniable fact. Since he dies in the same episode he appears in, he was (I edited it myself, because I didn't agree) labelled as a tertiary character. But for instance, since 21st Century girl appears in both episode Love's Labours Lost in Space and The Sting, she is labelled as a secondary character, despite the fact that she have no major importance on the plot of any episode.
 * Primary: Appears in most or all episodes, films and comics.
 * Secondary: Appearing in more than one episode, film or comic.
 * Tertiary: Only appearing in one episode, film or comic.

Instead, I think we should label our types of characters upon plot importance. I am not going to argue for the primary characters, they are set, and are interchangeable. But for secondary and tertiary, it could be like so; I'd especially like to hear Qoulnok's opinion. --SvipTalk 03:43, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Secondary: Characters with some or more plot changing purpose in one or more episodes, films or comics.
 * Tertiary: Characters without any plot changing purpose in one or more episodes, films or comics.
 * Sounds more accurate, but it still leaves some characters questionable. Petunia, for instance is in a number of episodes but doesn't quite meet that definition and I think she should be secondary. - Quolnok 06:50, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
 * I agree. But perhaps add more to the definition for secondary then.  E.g. "Characters with some or more plot changing purpose in one or more episodes, films or comics and/or large reuse of character with interaction with main characters."  And thanks for not pointing out my misspelling of your nick. --SvipTalk 07:12, 25 March 2008 (PDT)

sure why not better than nothing. dr zoidberg 4
 * The only problem is that, unlike the current definition, it's much more subjective. You'd almost have to have a vote for every character to see which they are. But I agree, That Guy is a way more important character than Hattie. If we come up with a more clearly-defined division, I'd be happy to get behind this. --Buddy 11:50, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

New Database!
I have just moved the database as discussed in Internal Errors, during that time, it was read only, so I had to act as fast as I could. Now it appears to have gone off without a hitch. But these days you can never be too sure. So watch out for oddies. And report them here if you find any.

Now, I haven't used it much, but it already appears faster. --SvipTalk 15:02, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Thank you. --Buddy 15:04, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Yeah, I noticed that the database logged everyone out. I guess you can live with that.  Also, trivia fact; our database was 221MB in size. --SvipTalk 15:09, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

IMPORTANT NOTICE, PLEASE READ I have discovered something that did go wrong! Damn, huh? Apparently all articles with special characters in their title have been screwed, I speak of course of articles such as Bender Bending Rodríguez. The fix? Move the article to the correct characters. You will notice that some links don't work for the moved article, this is because the Wiki needs time to update all the links, especially for popular articles such as the Bender article. Be patient and move articles. --SvipTalk 18:45, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
 * The reason for the whole ordeal is due to cache. A lot of pages are still lying and waiting to have their cache updated.  When you do ?action=purge on them, the cache with automatically be updated, including any images, templates and whatnot included in the article.  So in some cases, it could take several minutes for an entire site to get out of cache, depending on many templates and images there are in it.  However, this is only need to be done once.  And I don't mean once per user, I mean once per page.  If I purge an article, it happens for everyone.  So if you find red links to articles that really exist.  Remember to purge the page.  I don't know if it will clear itself out.  --SvipTalk 19:39, 27 March 2008 (PDT)

im pretty sure it wont well have to fix it ourselevs dr zoidberg 14

Transcripts
We all know the transcripts of Futurama from here. Now I have taken the effort of converting them into something we can understand on this wiki. And because I am quite proud of my work, I am willing to tell about it. See, the HTML there is quite messy. But it has some "standards" if you will. So I created two scripts. One which converts the illformed HTML to wellformed XML. And then a script that converts the XML to the Wiki format. There are two reasons for going that way. It is much more easier to interpret wellformed XML than illformed HTML and I need the XML versions of the transcripts for another thing I am doing.

To add to that, my "to wiki" script will interactively ask me when it runs into a new character and ask for the full Wiki name. Which as you can see on the first two transcripts already (as of writing) have links to all characters we run into. Well, only those who speak - of course. --SvipTalk 12:15, 29 March 2008 (PDT)
 * And I'm done. However, I should note that the transcripts are NOT perfect.  There can be errors in them.  If you spot them, please fix them.  So far I have fixed what is most obvious.  Things that can be caught by the converter script I wrote, and so forth.  But if a line is incorrect, has spelling mistakes, my script obviously won't catch it. :P I am thinking about writing some javascript for the transcript infobox where an "edit" button would follow the user down through the entire script, so they wouldn't have to scroll all the way up when they found a mistake, of course, they would still have to scroll down in the text box. :| I don't currently like the idea of splitting the transcripts up. --SvipTalk 06:58, 30 March 2008 (PDT)
 * Okay, I want to make a rule for the transcripts. In respect to the person who originally made the transcripts (the Neutral Planet), I think we should keep the transcripts in British English (names in the transcripts however appear in American English like they should).  So if you bother adding to it or fix it, keep it British English.  I mean, that guy spend days writing these transcripts.  It's the least we can do.  --SvipTalk 22:57, 1 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, we do have a standing rule that (parts of) articles aren't to be changed between versions of English. It does stand to reason that we enforce it more strongly there though. - Quolnok 00:30, 2 April 2008 (PDT)

Okay, as you may have noticed I have added some javascript to the transcript articles. For two reasons, one it is difficult to link to a specific line and secondly, it is annoying to edit a specific line that is far down the page. So far the javascript fulfils the first part of its purpose. Linking to lines. And it is quite simple. When viewing a transcript article, simply click "activate edit mode" (this may need a name change), the link will disappear and a new box will appear on the right. Once you find the line you want to link to, click it twice, it will then be highlighted and the box on the right will contain two links to the line. One is a direct link (http://theinfosphere.org/The_Lesser_of_Two_Evils_(transcript)#link-347) and one is a template link, it should be noted though that this template does not exist yet, I will in due time make it. Thoughts? Note: If it does not work for you right now, you may need to make a cache-refresh to get the new javascript code. --SvipTalk 10:33, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Also, if I may add, here is the current ideas I am thinking of implementing: Any other suggestions are more than welcome. Note that the template I mentioned earlier is intended to link to a specific line from another article. I can shorten it to undefined if you want that instead. --SvipTalk 13:57, 5 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Of course allow people to edit the line. This will be done by giving them an "edit" link to the line, which is simply some javascript which get the current line number highlighted.  It will then link to the regular edit page (like the one I am using to write this), but with javascript it will be scrolled down to the line in question.
 * Ability to highlight multiple lines.
 * Ability to edit the lines WITHIN the article. However, though, this is a bit of stretch, and its only purpose would be coolness.  So this has little priority if any.
 * I have now finished creating the ability to highlight multiple lines, go and try it. :) I'll create the template once I get a decision on whether it should be "transline" or just "tl".  Also, feedback is more than welcome. --SvipTalk 18:17, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Transcripts: break
I just performed a complete protection of all transcript articles for autoconfirmed users (users who have been registered for more than two days). I had intended to do it earlier in fact, but since an unregistered editor felt he could add another transcript (I know which site it came from) (which were btw a lot more horrible and less informative, and not styled for this wiki at all), it was motivation enough. You may only see the first episode's transcript in the protection log, but you can test it yourself by logging out and viewing a transcript. The concept is done entirely through the LocalSettings.php as the entire Transcript: namespace have been protected. The reason? While of course the recent edit was a motivation, the real intend is that transcripts are of higher regard to being "perfect" than most articles. Sure we want our articles as good as they can get. But we want our transcripts correct. You can argue how to do an article, but with a transcript, there should only be a guide. For this reason, I am only trusting our registered users of following such lead that they are willing to edit constructively.

On a slightly related matter, the "autoconfirmed" group is granted when a user have been registered for two days, but it is also possible to set an amount of edits the user must perform before he/she can edit, should we make it stay at 0 or raise it? Additionally, I was considering protecting the transcript articles to the 'emailconfirmed' group instead, which may seem a bit more reliable. Thoughts? --SvipTalk 09:25, 19 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Sounds fine. 2 days is alright, don't increase it though, if anything drop it to 1, theoretically we'll welcome them within 24 hours of registration and they'll see the rules... theoretically. emailconfirmed doesn't seem any better to me. - Quolnok 22:12, 19 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Uh, I just tried to edit a transcript article to explain a reason for a revert. Somehow I'm not in autoconfirmed, I'm gonna check some things... - Quolnok 21:43, 21 April 2008 (PDT)
 * All I can think of is that auto confirmed may have been an option in the user rights management at the time mine were changed to sysop and autoconfirmed was accidentally removed. Now this verson of mediawiki then apparently checks if a user is in autoconfirmed rather than checking autoconfirmed and sysop because that should be redundant. Or something on localsettings.php has been changed wrong. Either way it's a bizarre problem that can't be solved without DB access. - Quolnok 22:07, 21 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Oh dear. I did some check ups, apparently the "autoconfirmed" group was added later.  Well later than the first version this wiki ran.  I think.  Apparently, that gave me the group when I registered but not you.  True be that there should be a exempt for sysops.  But all sysops should technically be in the group.  Maybe there is a maintenance script for this.  Hold on... --SvipTalk 06:03, 22 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, I added the sysop and emailconfirmed group as well to edit the transcript articles. So now you should be able at least.  I ran a fixUserRegisteration.php script, but I am not sure what it did... there was no output. :s --SvipTalk 06:29, 22 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Edit button's definitely back, if you remove the sysop and emailconfirmed I can see if the script did it's job, but it probably did. - Quolnok 07:19, 22 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Hm... I just checked my groups, and I don't have autoconfirmed either. Hm... I think I know why, autoconfirmed is no longer a group, but a right.  Therefore we shouldn't have it as a group!  Ah, I fixed everything.  Guess I'll have to leave emailconfirmed and sysop then. --SvipTalk 07:52, 22 April 2008 (PDT)

Recent abuse
As some of you may have noticed, there have been some abusive "additions" lately. These are not your standard mindless vandalism, but direct personal attacks at Buddy, Quolnok and me. Personally, the vandalism is what it is, it can always be reverted. But what does tick me off is who it could possible be, cause we are apparently dealing with someone who has no life at all. So far we have spotted at least four accounts on this behalf. All are of course blocked including its IP addresses. However, to avoid further "attacks", I have installed a AntiSpoof and a UsernameBlacklist extension. The first one will check for similarities in a new registering user compared to other people's names to avoid spoofing. The second, and perhaps more powerful, allows us to have a blacklist, I took the liberty of copying Wikipedia's. Let's just hope this lowlife doesn't return. Otherwise, we might have to go as far as block registration of new users for a while. --SvipTalk 11:45, 6 April 2008 (PDT)

when did it start? dr zoidberg 14
 * Well, as I can tell it started around 4:00 in the morning CET, today. He reappeared 45 minutes later, after I had gone to bed, luckily, Quolnok was there to clean up the mess.  And so, he just reappeared around 20:00 CET today again.  Giving his time frame of abuse, I'd say he lives in the Americas.  But that doesn't really narrow it down.  --SvipTalk 11:58, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * As another precondition, I have restricted moving of pages only to be allowed for users who have been registered for a few days, so people cannot just register and move pages. --SvipTalk 12:05, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * On a related matter, I also restricted image uploading... --SvipTalk 12:41, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * What kind of usernames are they? Are they nasty and inflammatory?
 * You can just check the recentchanges to see his work. --SvipTalk 15:58, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * As a further preventative measure, I just went through the User List and blocked the other accounts matching his naming style. - Quolnok 19:26, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Not much wattage in this troll's bulb. Glad no one is bothered (it seems) by my style, spelling & syntax edits!--'''Monique Radevu 19;48, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * I noticed something about this guy when looking at his names. He appears to be copying from Wikipedia usernames, because even one is directly copied from Wikipedia (The Betacommand one) and most others are Betacommand ones with the names switched around. --MasterShake
 * Interesting indeed, it could be the exact same person. However, despite the use of the same names, it must be a human being.  Cause the irregularity of the attacks, the knowledge of using the templates, and so forth indicates means that certainly passes the turing test.  What a sad and lonely life.  --SvipTalk 15:56, 7 April 2008 (PDT)

Recent abuse: break
well how long should we wait to take action? dr zoidberg 14 11:16 8 apirl 2008 (im going to start puting dates)
 * You know, you can just write ~ instead of writing your name and date each time, that's what the rest of us do. As for your question, I don't know what action to take.  These people gather around the Internet, and they can be difficult to track, I'd rather not waste too much of my personal time figuring out who it was.  Besides, he seems gone now.  --SvipTalk 11:00, 8 April 2008 (PDT)

thanks for the info lets give it 24 hours to see if it does stop then lets decide on action --Dr zoidberg 14 12:06, 8 April 2008 (PDT)

What the hell?! --Buddy 17:57, 8 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Quite. Also, I think if he comes back it'll be on the weekend like last time, so it'll be a few days. - Quolnok 21:34, 8 April 2008 (PDT)

why on the weekend --Dr zoidberg 14 07:13, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * As we have tracked his behaviour, that seemed to be the only time he was active. It is most likely the time he has time.  I am assuming it is a he, but I would not rule out the possibility that women can have so low taste.  --SvipTalk 07:24, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Another thought, previously on blocking certain usernames that were offensive or what-not Buddy had deleted them from the database. We could instead use the rename extension to clean it up. Apparently this is one of the few things I'm unable to do as a Sysop but that Bureaucrats can do. I still find it a little odd that I'm the only non-Bureaucrat Sysop. - Quolnok 09:24, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * I fixed it now. --SvipTalk 09:28, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Woohoo! That's like three more special pages that I'll usually ignore. - Quolnok 09:42, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Wellsir, I was going to add you to the group... only to find it's already been done! I probably had a reason when I first left you out, but I forgot it in another dream. Or whatever. Congratulations. --Buddy 13:19, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * I am now thinking that this guy is done. Well done.

cheers to all involved geting rid of him/her --Dr zoidberg 14 16:47, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Whoa, I just looked in the block log the other day. What was that? That was some of the nastiest, most dirty, offensive texts I've ever seen.

My Accountname?
What is with my account name being with the "Ã­" like Bender Bending RodrÃ­guez? It should be Bender Bending Rodr&iacute;­guez with the "&iacute;".
 * Unfortunately, due to a database move, all the special characters in article titles and people's name were messed up. However, we can arrange a name change for you, if that would be pleasing enough?  Which means I have to install the extension which can change people's names...  I suggest that you move your "incorrect" user page to the "correct" user page (that is "User:Bender Bending RodrÃ­guez" to "User:Bender Bending Rodríguez").  For more information, please see the discussion above. --SvipTalk 15:57, 6 April 2008 (PDT)
 * There we go, now I have renamed your account. As a result, all your subpages including your sig template have also been moved.  Enjoy.  --SvipTalk 16:03, 6 April 2008 (PDT)

Upcoming movie releases
Not sure where exactly to post this source, so I'm posting it here. In case anyone has doubts about the release dates from Europe for Bender's Game and Into the Wild Green Yonder.(credit to sonic panther at PEEL for the pic)Anarchy Balsac 19:56, 6 April 2008 (PDT)




 * Aha, that is very interesting information. Perhaps add it to the trivia sections of Bender's Game and Into the Wild Green Yonder?  Hm, but it seems they have gotten the name wrong on the last film.  Or have we?  Well, we'll see when it is released.  --SvipTalk 05:38, 7 April 2008 (PDT)

United States of America
In Bendin' In The Wind, as the gang follow Bender and Beck they cross a map of the states that make up the union in the 31st century, and then in The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings we learn that New New York is in the state of New New York.

How about an article on the USA? Which would obviously benefit from having the Bendin' In The Wind map screengrabs stitched together. I don't know how to make the photos.


 * That's a brilliant idea; I hadn't thought of piecing the map together. Plus, it'd be fun to list the new names of the states and stuff (I remember Utah is "Human Farm" in Alienese). --Buddy 17:42, 8 April 2008 (PDT)

Namespace instead of brackets
I was thinking about our commentary and transcript articles. And I was wondering instead of having Space Pilot 3000 (commentary) or Space Pilot 3000 (transcript), then rather have Commentary:Space Pilot 3000 and Transcript:Space Pilot 3000. I just think it looks better. And as an addon to that, we can make it say "commentary" or "transcript" instead of "article" at the top. Hax, huh? --SvipTalk 10:15, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, I like it. It does seem a little cleaner/neater. I says go for it. --Buddy 13:11, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Yeah, says you! You know I am the one who has to slave.  Well, I guess I better get on it then. --SvipTalk 13:27, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * *cracks whip* ... Not that I'd know how anyway. I'd probably just Move the pages and hope for the best. And we've seen what happens when I try that sort of thing. --Buddy 13:30, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * You know what the worst part about being a slave? They make you work but they don't pay you or let you go.  --SvipTalk 13:33, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * That's the only part about being a slave. --Buddy 13:34, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Well, now I've done the commentary articles. See Commentary:A Flight to Remember for instance, notice how it says "commentary" instead of "article" at the top, fancy, huh?  --SvipTalk 14:10, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * And now I have done the transcript articles too. However, doing so made me think of something.  Do we really need the commentary articles listed in broadcast order?  It just seems like a useless extra page to maintain.  I personally feel that the episode listing that is interesting in broadcast order.  What you think? --SvipTalk 15:37, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Sounds/looks good, but doesn't Special:Random only target the main namespace? Or is there something else up that sleeve of yours? I don't see a need for the broadcast order commentary list, most people would go to them via episode pages anyway. - Quolnok 19:06, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Yep, transcripts and commentaries won't appear on the standard random. - Quolnok 22:00, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Perhaps. However, I have made sure that both commentary and transcript articles are counted in the total number of articles.  Because I consider them to have content, that is not meta content or help content or whatnot.  Which is why the counter on the Main Page is still 875 (as of writing).  However, I don't think you'd mind me deleting the broadcast order for the commentary articles now?  Thanks for updating the episode infobox, I don't know how I forgot about that. --SvipTalk 05:25, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

Namespaces: break
Say, is there something similar that can be done to make those namespaces part of the default search? Besides the individual user's settings that is. - Quolnok 08:25, 10 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Ah, we are in luck, see here. However, it will not update for already registered users. --SvipTalk 08:45, 10 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Ah, yes, just updated the LocalSettings.php file, and now it works (just tested as an unregistered user). Sadly, there is no bullet proof solution for already registered users.  Well, tough luck.  I feel it was unregistered users you were most worried about, huh? --SvipTalk 08:59, 10 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Yeah, it's the unregistered folks that were of most concern. Hopefully everyone else can figure it out. - Quolnok 09:04, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

My Whole New User Page Thing
Look at my user page! I love the table I put around it.
 * I am not so sure this has much to do with improving the wiki... but I guess it's nice and all. However, I am aware that your entire content will be in your user pages.  I don't really see the need for putting up a lot of Aqua Teen Hunger Force information on our wiki.  Aren't there wikis for that show?  This is a Futurama wiki, and thus that have nothing to do with it.  You are allowed to have a user page, but don't overdo it!  Think about what you are doing. --SvipTalk 16:15, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Yeah, there's an ATHF Wiki. I created it too. It's right here.
 * I will put Futurama on my userpage also. I'm intending to have the userpage large, so it'll have lots of content from many different show varieties.
 * Yeah, what's with the ATHF page? This is the FUTURAMA wiki. Chabby 17:40, 9 April 2008 (PDT)

Documentation templates
As a new standardising effort, I have begun creating "standardised" documentation for our templates. The new template will allow for easy documentation of templates, without making the templates cluttered from what is real important; the template itself. See Template:Documentation for how to us it. I have been considering including it in the I:I page for every infobox whenever I have written all those's documentations. --SvipTalk 16:44, 11 April 2008 (PDT)

nice job --Dr zoidberg 14 12:05, 12 April 2008 (PDT)

Standardising
I think I've finally gotten the hang of standardising. (Omicron Persei 8). My only problem, is, how do you convert the images? Chabby
 * Never mind I think. Chabby

care to teach me --Dr zoidberg 14 10:50, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

Infoboxes
I was working on my unstandardised pages list (which I'm quite proud of), when I looked upon Tube Transport System. I believe there should be a technology infobox. If there is one for it, please tell me, but I don't think there is.- Chabby
 * I think the serves well for that purpose, if there are any parameters you would like added, just tell me.  --SvipTalk 17:21, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

New page
I have come across that Jupiter is not an article. I'm too lazy to find all of the info and other things, but would anyone else like to? -- the preceding unsigned comment was written by Chabby.
 * I assume there is a reason for that, since Jupiter is never visited in the series, which would make sense, since it is a gas giant. But is mentioned when they visit Europa.  It only appears when they are heading for Europa, but other than that, you could say Jupiter only appears as a background thing.  But I guess it still counts.  However, I am not so entirely sure what would go in the article. --SvipTalk 19:21, 13 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Based on the Sol System article, I'd say no-one got around to it, (likewise for Urectum). Of course, such decisions were made when there was only a small number of articles. - Quolnok 20:09, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

New Server?
If we compare ourselves to the Wikia's Futurama wiki, we would win on content, article count and quality hands down. But on server responsiveness? Not so much. It is true that trying to fight Wikia on server responsive is going to be a Planet Express versus Mom's Friendly Delivery Company. We cannot win, however, we can improve, and we can improve a lot. DreamHost's service is good, but good enough. My generally experience with DreamHost is slow sites. Something I have been grinding my teeth about. Therefore I am suggesting we get a new server to be hosted on.

And no, I don't mean going to some other webhost and try their service, I mean go directly to a Datacentre. For those of you not familiar with a datacentre, it is a place where tonnes of computers are stacked upon one another, and all connected to a high speed Internet. These machines are usually old discarded computers. Sure, the machine we currently use may be in a similar house, but that building is still owned by DreamHost, in a datacentre, each machine is owned by a person or company. I suggest we get our own dedicated server for this purpose. Our largest problem may be the database, the database is not on the same machine as the webserver. This means that it'll have to contact another machine for each query. And not through a local area network, through the Internet. It would be as if requesting several pages for a single page. It's unnecessary. Now I know the only real problem with a datacentre rather than webhost is it will probably cost a little more. But I would be willing to pay whatever extra it may cost. I shall do some research into possible datacentres, until then... discuss. --SvipTalk 13:52, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

sure how much will it be --Dr zoidberg 14 13:30, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

New users
I think ever user should be welcomed. I'm seeing users who haven't registered only making one edit. I'm also seeing some users being turned away. The point was supposed to give them a break. Not everyone already knows the Wiki format. I know I didn't. I just think all users who edit should be welcomed and users should be a little nicer.--Chabby
 * There may be times where I can appear a bit "elitist" if you will, but that's usually when I have something important to tell a user about a recent edit. I have not part of the welcoming committee for a reason.  It's not because I don't have the time, but because I consider myself the admin who makes sure everyone is following up to the standards, etc. that we have set.  I am fully aware that we do so far not have a Manual of Style, and I do in my comments to people apologies for the lack of pages/articles about how to write on our wiki.  But given the topic at hand, I think we should welcome potential users, even IP users.  Remember though, that some users edit an article quickly as they spot an error, whatever it may be, fix it and don't intend to come back.  These people won't regard much from a welcoming statement, as they weren't planning on staying around anyway.  I admit it is a bit of a grey area, but I guess Quolnok is the right one to speak on this matter. --SvipTalk 05:48, 20 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Yes, yes, there is some clarity issues with when to welcome. The old template was only for user accounts, but now that I've modified it with the IP option it is more suitable for them, they had been pointed in the direction of registration with manually written notes. I'd say welcoming of IPs is to those who look like they'll stick around, hints of this might be page creation, in-depth changes, detailed comments on edits or more than a handful of edits. Registered users are a given for welcoming. Exceptions are those who are purely here to cause trouble, however minor joke edits may still warrant a welcome. - Quolnok 06:13, 20 April 2008 (PDT)

Oh, no. I don't mean that. People who are here to cause shouldn't be welcomed. Thanks for the change to the rules on that, though. Chabby

Delete the page!
There is still that ATHF page on Master Shake's usser page link. It has nothing to do with Futurama and should be deleted. -- the preceding unsigned comment was written by Chabby.
 * I agree, I have removed the ATHF parts of Master Shake's page, despite where he mentions it is his favourite show. He can easily do that.  This should also clear the wanted pages up a bit. --SvipTalk 06:04, 21 April 2008 (PDT)