Infosphere:Conference Table/Old format

The Conference Table is for discussion of the Infosphere, and proposals for new ideas. For information about upcoming changes to the Infosphere, see Current events.

Archived discussions:
 * Conference Table from before September 2007 (archive)

Infoboxes
Time to vote (since we haven't had one yet) -  Humorbot 0.4   12:04, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

Svip's character infobox
 Humorbot 0.4
 * Samanathon

And now the Episode infobox

For Svip's

 *  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]]
 * Quolnok
 * Samanathon

At the momment I'd say Svip's is better but it could use a bit more padding outside, and a few pixels extra between the columns. - Quolnok 19:09, 12 June 2007 (PDT)
 * All these things are fixable. But what specifically do you mean by "padding outside"?  Margin or padding?  They are two different things.  I shall look into the extra pixels between the columns. --SvipTalk 05:58, 13 June 2007 (PDT)

Padding, just a bit more whitespace to prevent text from getting too close to the infobox's border. - Quolnok 06:13, 13 June 2007 (PDT)
 * That is margin actually. But I can do it. --SvipTalk 08:01, 13 June 2007 (PDT)

Which is padding again? could have swarn margin was line thickness (that is border). Anyway, looks good. The {name} variable can probably be replaced with the system variable because the episode articles take precidence over other topics with the same name, that's what is used in the old navbars. On that note, we can probably leave the old navbars there on long pages. The pressence of exactly one navbar forces scrolling towards it for navigation, the presence of two cuts down scroll distance for half of the people... but that's another discussion ...they do have matching colour schemes. - Quolnok 20:08, 13 June 2007 (PDT)
 * For your CSS information, border is line thickness (actually that is border-size), padding is the space between the border and the content of an object, while margin is the space between the border and the surrounding objects. --SvipTalk 04:26, 14 June 2007 (PDT)
 * Also! I despite the use of , cause it is not good Wiki practice to rely on the system to get it right.  Sometimes, the article name may be different from what would be good to go in a name area and then what do you do (except perhaps having the "name" tag as an optional tag, but that would require the ParserFunctions, BUDDY!?)? --SvipTalk 05:14, 14 June 2007 (PDT)
 * *runs off* --Buddy 12:09, 16 June 2007 (PDT)
 * So, uh, we're going ahead with this right? - Quolnok 15:52, 24 November 2007 (PST)
 * Yes, but as you can see, I am constantly punking Buddy for not getting le extension, when I get it, I shall go nuts and start fixing tonnes of articles o_o It is going to magically crazy! Just you wait...  however, I don't blame him.  A life without Internet at home?  How horrible! --SvipTalk 15:54, 24 November 2007 (PST)
 * I know I suck. Give me one extension that is most important to you, and I'll get it next time I'm online, assuming I can figure it out. The real trouble with my limited online time is that, although I can make changes, should there be a problem, I rarely have the time to work on the solution. But when I have internet at home, I can work on the problems till they're fixed (not to mention, some IM'img with someone who knows better). So, like I said, give me your top priority, and, in a thousand years, I'll get right on it. --Buddy 20:12, 24 November 2007 (PST)
 * The most important is the ParserFunction extension. With that, I can do a lot of work.  I shall inform you of my next important extension when that is done.  I shall leave you a notice on your own talk page about how to install it (so I am sure you see it). --SvipTalk 05:14, 25 November 2007 (PST)

Songs
There are so many songs in Futurama and yet no articles on it so for my next suggestions we should write about the songs -  Humorbot 0.4   10:40, 12 June 2007 (PDT)
 * I propose we call it "Soundtrack" and then includes a list of songs. It may only be about the songs, but "Soundtrack" is simply a better name. --SvipTalk 10:49, 12 June 2007 (PDT)
 * we also should include the lyrics -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 11:29, 12 June 2007 (PDT)
 * Sounds good to me. I think I saw Buddy suggest this on a talk page somewhere, anyway, we can link to the lyrics from relevant episode's trivia sections and/or infoboxes. a number of episodes already have lyrics, which can be snipped into the new page. - Quolnok 18:48, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

i like the idea dr zoidberg 14

feature nominations
Vote and nominate, people. - Quolnok 18:54, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

Upgrade bugs
Just cleaning up this section, we don't need to remember old errors. We are not debuggers, are we? Seriously though, if you find any more, this is the place to notice about system/software bugs in general. --SvipTalk 13:53, 14 July 2007 (PDT)

400!
Wasn't to long ago when I wrote a section on this page about reaching 300 articles well now we're up to 400 and still growing. By the way does this count to be added to our news section which has benn updated twice recently -  Humorbot 0.4   07:14, 7 July 2007 (PDT)

Extensions!
Now that we got the new software, we can have extensions, hurrah! \o/ I suggest the following Extensions:
 * Extension:Cite - so we can make references to other pages, news articles, and what have you.
 * Extension:Parser function extensions - this actually a bit of extensions, but we just need the standard and the parser functions. This is the extension I have been crying about.

You can find these and many more at Extension Matrix. --SvipTalk 11:56, 8 July 2007 (PDT)
 * I'll work vigorously on those when I get a full day off. Should be tuesday, but I won't make any promises. --Buddy 15:49, 8 July 2007 (PDT)

Infosphere Forums
Hello, you may not like this, but... I started some forums for the Infosphere here. I found this great IPB host without ads or anything. These forums are actually similar to my ATHFWiki forums actually.... with some differences, like no Adult Swim/Television category because Futurama won't always be on [AS]. Electricbolttalk
 * I don't want to be picky, but that's an awful lot of forums for such a small amount of users. Suppose you could delete some of the more redundant forums (e.g. just a single video forum)?  Also, where is the information about the film titles?  Got a link?! --SvipTalk 15:13, 10 July 2007 (PDT)
 * Tell me exactly what forums you'd like me to delete. Please. Don't tell me here, could you join the forums and tell me in the "Rants" part of the forums? If you don't feel like it, well, post it here.
 * There, done. --SvipTalk 17:34, 10 July 2007 (PDT)
 * Alright, I changed them. Does anyone have a logo I can use for the forums saying like "Infosphere Forums"?

Range blocks
So, I finally looked into range blocks, while there is binary math involed (which I'm able to do) if you don't have the CDIR range of spam companies, we can get the CDIR info from here and after confirming the website associated with the IP is not just an ISP we use the CDIR value we've found. I'll be using the "Block anonymous users only" and "Prevent account creation" options. - Quolnok 21:15, 10 July 2007 (PDT)

Infosphere Forums 2
Because of ads being added to IPBfree.com, the forums have been relocated to here, a phpBB kind-of forum.
 * Well, on the "old" forums, I suggest you remove all the forums and only leave one behind, which states that the forums have moved to the new link. --SvipTalk 05:49, 14 July 2007 (PDT)

Our competition
Our competition, which includes two other wiki's. The community sides in the community portal does work with the same goal. We work to collect all information Futurama, in an objective unbiased (except for the fact that we love the show, so I guess we are biased). But yet, we are the fifth result on Google when searching for futurama wiki. In fact, the best competition we have is Wikipedia, which I am afraid is doing some better jobs on some issues. Also because they have all the delicious extensions. Yum yum. My point is... it has been awfully quiet lately, and also by the spambots. Either we did something efficient, or they are taking a break. But it seems only the regular editors are the one who views this wiki. So uh, we need to spread the word more efficiently.

Also, I'd like permission to edit CSS and Javascript/HTML, please. (you knew this was coming) --SvipTalk 13:52, 14 July 2007 (PDT)
 * Also, if I may add, this wiki does not appear to have an article on The Matt Groening Community Wiki. --SvipTalk 14:03, 14 July 2007 (PDT)
 * I just searched for Futurama wiki on google and now were 4th yeh, not much improvement but still -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 13:54, 25 November 2007 (PST)

I recently thought only Wikipedia was our enemy, but apparently Wikia's Futurama wiki has been revived. However, while it is obvious that we still have a lot more information (since it appears by the recent changes article that only a single person is making their pages). I am still wondering why they are even bothering. I mean, Wikia might as well go and buy our wiki. However, I have noticed that they don't link to us any more. --SvipTalk 09:53, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Proberbly because if anyone follows the link they'll go wiat a second.... this wiki is much better -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 14:21, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Just an update, this wiki is the third result in Google! Samanathon 22:17, 9 January 2008 (PST)
 * If you search for Futurama alone on Google, we appear on page 3, and I cannot even seen the Wikia wiki by page 12. I say quite good given there are over 13 million results for Futurama on Google.  Hah.  Remember, Google does not base its relevance on links by its titles, but rather by what other sites links to it as.  --SvipTalk 16:19, 25 January 2008 (PST)
 * There are tricks to getting a website higher up on Google's results the interlinking within this wiki could be enough to boost our position, it's what helps other wikis. If there's a wiki for a topic it's almost always on the first few results. The more often we link to Futurama rather than just typing it the better (though adding "Futurama" to articles needlessly is a bad idea). Also, duplicating the Futurama page to Futurama/Futurama and linking between them would help too. That worked for [www.google.com.au/search?q=Charlie+Todd Charlie Todd]. - Quolnok 18:26, 25 January 2008 (PST)

New style proposal
I am proposing a general style for all episode articles. The "Additional information" section should be split up in the following sections: "Trivia" (applies to anything that doesn't go in Continuity and Cultural References), "Continuity" (references to other episodes of the show, lose the "Fast forward" and "Rewind" sections), "Cultural References" (mostly known as "Outside references", perhaps we could call it "Popular culture references" instead), "Goofs" (refers to mistakes, both in continuity and others), "Cast" or "Characters" and "Credits". That makes 6 sections at maximum for the "Additional information" section in an episode article. And let's also write "additional information" as it is more correct than "info". --SvipTalk 16:32, 15 July 2007 (PDT)

References to Futurama in Popular Culture
Shouldn't we have an article about this? I searched but couldn't find... Anyway, I've uploaded two pics, here and here, which belong in that sort of place. ~ Xan42 {talk to me} 06:24, 2 September 2007 (PDT)
 * Started the article: In popular culture. --SvipTalk 06:37, 2 September 2007 (PDT)

Creating videos?
I know this might not be answered, I know how to create pictures with Intervideo, but is there anyway you can make videos like that?

Number of Images
Why does the number of images say there is only images? Shouldn't there be like 900-1,000 images? The last time I checked, there were more than 700 images.
 * That variable was added after the upgrade, and thus was nullified upon the upgrade, and has remained so since, despite pictures uploaded since has been added to it. It would require a manual count and a manual fix in the database. --SvipTalk 23:12, 2 September 2007 (PDT)

Drastic measures!
Lately, this wiki has been appearing rather weak. Nothing new is really being done. I understand that Buddy has a lot to do, but it isn't optimal that our only person with access to the fileserver doesn't have access to the Internet. Secondly, we have been under serious spam attacks lately, I propose that for a short while, we won't allow any unregistered members to edit articles. I haven't worked on my bot in a while, but hopefully I will get back to that soon. --SvipTalk 03:49, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
 * I agree. - Quolnok 04:52, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
 * In case Buddy needs to know how to do that, he must add this to the LocalSettings.php file:

$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
 * The 'read' part is rather optional, but it is just to make sure they can still read them. The '*' group is a pseudo group for none registered users.  Also, edit the MediaWiki:Sitenotice page to make this notice appear on the top of every page.  --SvipTalk 06:28, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
 * I'd really like to get rid of all the spammers. Can we either do this or can someone suggest some IP ranges to blank? - Quolnok 04:06, 5 October 2007 (PDT)
 * If it gets too out of hand we could ban Ip's completely at least for a while, hopefully the spambots will disappear and we can let IP's edit again -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 09:44, 5 October 2007 (PDT)
 * "If it gets too out of hand"? I'm fairly sure it already is. Range blocking is only good for "small" groups of 65,000ish, which would mean doing 65,000ish range blocks to block everyone, the IPs mostly don't fit valid ranges, so we'll have to wait for Buddy to block them. - Quolnok 18:36, 6 October 2007 (PDT)

Block O'Clock?
I'm not sure if this kind of thing needs a vote, but if it does, I'd like something done to prevent the IPs spamming now please. It's beyond my Sysop powers to change the php files. - Quolnok 18:45, 6 October 2007 (PDT)


 * Quolnok

SORRY
You have no idea how much it pains me to let this place sit without its benevolent father for so long. I am in the midst of a deal which will get me internet at home (and thus daily interaction from me!), but it won't be for another month or so. I'm working on that php dealy right now, though. --Buddy 21:42, 6 October 2007 (PDT) [update]: Seems to have worked, though I didn't do the Sitestatus thingy, or whatever it was. But yeah, unlogged-in people are now unable to edit. Thanks for informing me how to do it. --Buddy 21:50, 6 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Woohoo! Now things should calm right down spam wise. - Quolnok 23:10, 6 October 2007 (PDT)

Wiki page contents
Does anyone know how to take the page contents box off a page?
 * Which page? - Quolnok 23:08, 29 September 2007 (PDT)

Deleted Scenes
hey guys i was thinking maybe we could have a section with deleted senes for each episode with a detailed sypnoses for each scene i am probbly going to be voted down but just a sugjestion dr zoidberg 14

Sounds actually pretty good we could just add them on to the additional info section of the episodes -  Humorbot 0.4   07:43, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

Merchandise
Hey, I was thinking we should maybe include info on Futurama merchandise as well as the fiction? Some suggestions: I got this idea from the Transformers wikia, which obviously is much more closely connected with toys than Futurama, but still thought it might be a good idea. Thoughts? SwitChar 07:35, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Sections on action figures, statues and other toys and such in character articles
 * Similar sections on merchandise in articles on objects, products or animals, like sections on merch incarnations of the PE ship, Slurm or Brain slugs.
 * Articles on certain lines of toys or merchandise like shirts/clothing, the retro tin wind-ups, games etc.
 * I don't know about having it in the articles. They're filled with extraneous info as it is, and any more may burst them! But it really depends on how in-depth the info is, I guess. If it's just a quick "There's a toy of this thing" and a screenshot, that could easily be added... But if it's a detailed description and examination and critical review and notes on all points of articulation, then they probably need their own article (or an article for all merch, each thing with its own section). --Buddy 13:23, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Actually many articles Don't have extraneous info, only a select few do. There actually needs to be more with extraneous info. At least, if you want the informational purpose of the wiki to be fulfilled.Anarchy Balsac 18:47, 4 January 2008 (PST)
 * I agree, for the most part, but anything notable enough to have a toy made of it is likely to be something that has tons of info in the article about it. But yes, many things should be expanded. --Buddy 18:26, 3 February 2008 (PST)

i agree i think we should have an article for all that stuff dr zoidberg 14

Additional categories for episodes/comics
I'm thinking about puting the episodes and comics into further categories, something along the lines of "Category:Stories Focusing on Zoidberg" or "Category:Plots Focusing on Fry" It would be limited to primary and (prominent) secondary characters who are the focus of either the A or B plot. Episodes like the Anthologies have 3 A plots and Three Hundred Big Boys probably just has a lot of B plots. - Quolnok 22:07, 26 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Sounds good and for Three Hundred Big Boys we would have to just leave the category on that -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 02:23, 27 October 2007 (PDT)

nice idea Dr zoidberg 14
 * Let's keep the name syntax like this "A/B plot focusing on ". Let's make an article called Types of plots where the different types of plots are explained.  Also, can't we make season/series categories?  E.g. "Season 1 episodes". --SvipTalk 15:01, 27 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Did you mean two seperate categories for A and B plots? Sure we'll just have a see also within the category page pointing to B and A plots for the character respectively. I think we can do the Season X episodes too. Also the plot categories will need to be sub categories of something, probably episodes, media and/or comics because it will be used for all three, I'd say Media. Also comics generally don't have B plots, except Six Characters In Search Of A Story, which is the same sort of thing as Three Hundred Big Boys. I think I'll do some of season one. - Quolnok 18:13, 27 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Well, they're mostly done now, excluding a few later comics I don't want more spoilers for (they're not in Australia yet), there were a few I wasn't completely sure about but they're probably right. - Quolnok 18:52, 19 November 2007 (PST)

A new shirt for Buddy
Hooray! And I'm pretty sure it's legit, since it has a tiny copyright notice. I know that's not a 100% sure way to tell, but hey. I was just so excited when I saw it. I couldn't resist buying it. --Buddy 20:30, 27 October 2007 (PDT)
 * Where'd you get it??? I'd like a Futurama shirt. Do they make ATHF shirts? --MasterShake 16:46, 30 December 2007 (PST)
 * I got it at Hot Topic (not my usual cup o' tea, but the shirt was prominently displayed), and it was next to another Futurama shirt featuring the entire crew. And recently I got both Fry and Zoidberg action figures from Hot Topic as well. As for ATHF, you can probably get shirts simply by going to adult swim. And my Fry and Zoidberg came with build-a-bot Robot Devil pieces, of which I currently have a head and torso. Hopefully I'll be able to complete my collection to complete the devil. Hooray! --Buddy 21:19, 30 December 2007 (PST)

Bender Brewer
Awesome! Just stumbled on this. --Buddy 20:34, 1 November 2007 (PDT)

Stumbled on this now as well. Perhaps we should have a section for "finds" or something similar. --Buddy 15:48, 18 November 2007 (PST)


 * Most of that looks like a sort of Fan Art. While I can probably never get used to fan art (careless of what fan art it is of), because I find it not to be the real thing, we might have a section for it.  However, the question in thus, what should we let in, and what shouldn't we?  I mean, if you go to deviantart and search for Futurama, you get tonnes of results.  --SvipTalk 23:31, 18 November 2007 (PST)

Chanukah Zombie
I has uploaded picture of what I believe is the Chanukah Zombie. Should we wait until the premier of BBS to update it's article? ~ Xan42 {talk to me} 07:41, 19 November 2007 (PST)
 * More importantly, where did you get that screenshot? --SvipTalk 10:19, 19 November 2007 (PST)
 * It probably is the right character based on who he's with and the symbols on his.. TIE Fighter?.. but unless we know it's definately him and where the image is from, we can't say it is. - Quolnok 18:26, 19 November 2007 (PST)
 * Okay, I admit, I have gotten my hands on the film prematurely, but I am still ordering the film and paying for it (which I already have) so I guess that makes it somewhat okay. And I can confirm that it is him.  Indeed, there are much more screens of him, and he clearly states he is who is guess to be.  And yes it is a TIE Fighter.  Also, at the end of the film, its production code is as follows; #5ACV01, #5ACV02, #5ACV03, #5ACV04.  However, I shall not be writing any plot information until the film is released. --SvipTalk 02:41, 20 November 2007 (PST)

The screenshot came from here. ~ Xan42 <font face="Matisse ITC" size="1">{talk to me} 06:06, 21 November 2007 (PST)

Yahoo Trailer
The Yahoo trailer contains the following email addresses: Zoidberg@freemail.web awong79@marslink.web and bender@ilovebender.com The only one that registers as having a server is ilovebender.com anyone gonna email him? Also, that probably confirms Amy's birth year. - Quolnok 18:47, 19 November 2007 (PST)

The Films
Let's talk about the films. So far, we are getting a release soon of the first one. However, I hate to admit, but yes, it is already leaked and wild on the Internet. While I do not endorse it, I could simply not wait. So yes, I have watched it. While I will reveal as little of the plot as possible before the film is released. I can tell the following "hard data":

The production code for the film is not XACV01, it is 5ACV01, 5ACV02, 5ACV03, 5ACV04, clearly making the production code for the four episodes it is supposed to be cut into.

Yes, the film has a title caption. And most appropriately it is "It just won't stay dead!", which I suggest as a quote on the front page. That is all for now.

P.S. Don't think I am not getting a real copy of the film, I have already preordered it, so there. I am a honest guy, just a very impatient honest guy. --SvipTalk 02:57, 20 November 2007 (PST)
 * That production code does make more sense. I'm holding out for the release date, the Xth of Y, 200Z. - Quolnok 05:16, 20 November 2007 (PST)

where can you watch it (i also preorderd it so dont think im not doing my part) p.s send me an email if you dont want any one else to know at hwrempel@shaw.ca dr zoidberg 14


 * I have already reserved my copy on Amazon. I see no reason not to post advanced details on the Bender's Big Score page--as long as a spoiler alert is included for people like me who are waiting for the movie to arrive in a mailbox near me. Almost every other show-centric wiki posts advance info on upcoming episodes, and I see this as being no different. But I won't read it until after I watch my copy of the movie. And I won't seek out the internet version. Also, while I was on Amazon, I ordered the 2008 calendar. Hooray Futurama. --Buddy 14:04, 22 November 2007 (PST)
 * Well, I understand your reason, and respect them. Obviously, otherwise you probably ban me or something.  But since you say so, I shall write the plot outline.  However, when you have watched it, there are many discussions to be had. --SvipTalk 16:17, 22 November 2007 (PST)
 * I will never ban for watching pirated material. HOwever, this is not the place to discuss how to attain illegal material (pirated Futurama or otherwise). That would be a bannable offense. Not because I have a moral objection to it (you should see my music collection), but because the site could get in real legal trouble and get shut down if stuff like that started going on here. --Buddy 16:21, 22 November 2007 (PST)

sory dr zoidberg 14

how are they going to make it into eps any way will they take an act and make into one ep will they have diferent pepoles difrent perspectives or what dr zoidberg 14
 * We simply do not know. They may even add some scenes not seen in the films.  Our best bet is to sit back and wait.  --SvipTalk 09:57, 23 November 2007 (PST)
 * *Pleased but sticky* Someone put it on a website stream, there's this program I use to meander about the internet and it somewhat randomly got foisted on me. I tried to hold out (indefinitely, I might add) for the release (for a day or so after finding it), but, well, I couldn't resist. I saw it, I will still eventually buy it as soon as it comes out, whenever that is. Also, it's very hot here. - Quolnok 22:17, 27 November 2007 (PST)
 * Sounds a lot like StumbleUpon, which is exactly how I found it. Stumbling blindly around the internet is fun. --Buddy 13:39, 2 December 2007 (PST)

Not big new for everyone else but now I've seen it - <span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4   13:13, 30 November 2007 (PST)
 * As have I, now that it arrived! Commentaries, special features, scripts... awesome! --Buddy 13:39, 2 December 2007 (PST)

on wikepidea and imdb it says the beast with a billion backs is coming out march 18th and theres also a link to tvbloger but i dont have an acount so i dont know if its relible if any one has any info let me know dr zoidberg 14


 * I have for the sake of our viewers added the date as a rumour. Since we cannot access this blog and get confirmation.  We must remain like this.  But as far as I can tell from the URL, the blog was posted back in September, 2007.  And I am not sure we had any sort of information about this film's release back then. --SvipTalk 15:23, 25 January 2008 (PST)

Why was the beast with a million eyes reference removed? It seems plausible this could be a double reference.Anarchy Balsac 17:17, 26 January 2008 (PST)

Redirects
I know we have debated redirects before, and Buddy said good for them cause it would bring more users. However. I am wondering where the limit goes. If I type "1ACV01" on Wikipedia, I get the first episode of Futurama. Should we not redirect all the production and broadcast codes to episodes? So if I cannot remember the episode's name, I can get to it easily by knowing its "id". --SvipTalk 10:18, 23 November 2007 (PST)
 * Well, those aren't going to be needed for anything other than the episodes, so there's no reason that I can see to not do it. - Quolnok 15:37, 23 November 2007 (PST)
 * Yeah, I see no problem. But you're weird. I'll never know the production code and not the title. I only know titles. The other way 'round seems odd to me. Oh, well. I can name any episode within the first thirty seconds, usually much much less. Except "Where no Fan has Gone Before"--but that one's easy, since it's the title caption as well... ;) --Buddy 12:51, 24 November 2007 (PST)

Conference table cleanup
Also, isn't it time we clean up this article a bit. Some of the discussions here are rather old. If we don't want to delete, make an archive. It is better for the overview, and better for the server. --SvipTalk 10:18, 23 November 2007 (PST)

i agree dr zoidberg 14
 * Yep, probably needs cleaning. I can't be bothered right now, I think I'll go vote (election, yay). - Quolnok 15:41, 23 November 2007 (PST)
 * omg :O John Howard lost! Woo, Kevin Rudd!  Just if the Labor party could spell "labour".  Anyway, I would like Buddy's acknowledgement before I or someone else go through it. --SvipTalk 04:04, 24 November 2007 (PST)


 * I would say anything that hasn't been responded to or edited in three months or so could be archived. Something like that. Unless anyone has other suggestions...? --Buddy 12:54, 24 November 2007 (PST)
 * Done... well somewhat... probably need to do it again, we seriously have a lot of discussions simultaneously. Guess it just proves how great we are. --SvipTalk 07:07, 27 November 2007 (PST)
 * I've been thinking about a forum, but that sort of takes focus away from other Futurama forums (I'm thinking PEEL, specifically), and my other idea was to team up with PEEL and ask them if they'd want to be our official forum and set up a site partnership kinda thing or something. --Buddy 09:14, 29 November 2007 (PST)
 * Guess it would not hurt to ask. Maybe our wiki could get a subforum there or something.  Eletrothingie did try to set up a board for us, but it is gone now I fear. --SvipTalk 12:11, 29 November 2007 (PST)

maybe we could do this once every 2 months dr zoid berg 14

Vote!
As mentioned on The Main Pages talk page this is a vote fro Svip's CSS which I think we should have.

<span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4

SvipTalk

dr zoidberg 14

Robo puppy girl

Woo! I'm popular! Go Bender, go Bender, go Bender. --SvipTalk 12:25, 1 December 2007 (PST)
 * Guess you are looks like we're just waiting on 2 votes,dumb dumb away - <span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 13:31, 1 December 2007 (PST)
 * Now this wiki is what I call style - <span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 07:38, 4 December 2007 (PST)
 * You don't have to wait for unanimity. It's pretty obvious you won't be getting a negative vote. --Buddy 10:58, 11 December 2007 (PST)

500!
Whta an achievement 500 now well done - <span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4   05:09, 1 December 2007 (PST) were half way there dr zoidberg 14 (great line mirkin)

Infosphere Pic in Page
Umm, could you please get the image of the Infosphere out of the background of pages. It makes the text look darkended and makes it look ugly in my opinion. --MasterShake 19:17, 28 December 2007 (PST)
 * That is going to be a decision we make later on. We are still sort of discussion in the CSS.  For discussions of it, please check MediaWiki Talk:Monobook.css. --SvipTalk 03:15, 29 December 2007 (PST)

why did we do it in the first place? dr zoidberg 14
 * We were trying to look classy like the HRWiki does, with the light background pics, but I don't think ours is quite faded enough. Or something. I can't tell exactly what's wrong, but I agree it doesn't quite look right. But at the same time, I don't think we should scrap it entirely; I think it can still be re-worked. --Buddy 13:22, 30 December 2007 (PST)

agreed dr zoidberg 14
 * I have removed it for now. If it still appears on your end, please remember to a cache refresh. --SvipTalk 09:59, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Background Jokes
I was thinking, both the simpsons and Futurama are known for their background jokes. Should there be a list for the background jokes on every episode? I think if we're to be a collective hub of Futurama info it would be important to do so.Anarchy Balsac 18:35, 7 January 2008 (PST)

do you mean a master list or for each episode dr zoidberg 14

Yeah, something like a trivia list except it says "background jokes" as its title.Anarchy Balsac 07:01, 11 January 2008 (PST)

great idea i say yes dr zoidberg 14


 * Would they need time-indices? --Buddy 18:36, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * Wouldn't hurt, though it would make the task more tedious.Anarchy Balsac 21:21, 15 February 2008 (PST)

Reopen IP edits
We have been running on required registration for a while now, and while it appears to be working just fine, I still feel it would be better if we allowed unregistered people to edit articles. But to avoid spambots we can use one of the following extensions; ConfirmEdit or ReCAPTCHA, I personal suggest the former one. This extension will require users unregistered to enter a CAPTCHA every time they edit. Are you logged in, you are not required to do so. It allows unregistered people to edit small things. E.g. a random bystander who spots an error in article, and just wants to fix it briefly, but has no intention of becoming a full member. Opinions? --SvipTalk 09:23, 12 January 2008 (PST)


 * Sounds good I think its been long enough and the CAPTCHA isea is great - <span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 12:52, 12 January 2008 (PST)
 * Certainly worth trying it. - Quolnok 18:55, 12 January 2008 (PST)

People who want to seriously contribute will have no trouble signing up. If you aren't too lazy to put in major contributions, you shouldn't be too lazy to sign up. Given how easy it is to DOS wikis, keeping the spam out by preventing the unregistered people from editing is a great idea.Anarchy Balsac 04:42, 13 January 2008 (PST)
 * While I somewhat agree with your statement, I also somewhat disagree. The problem is that a lot of viewers who come here for the purpose of the wiki (delivering information to the public) can at times spot errors in the things we have written and perhaps think that they could just fix that for us (as a gesture), but not for the idea of being a complete member.  But (some of) these people aren't really gonna do that when they are blocked by the "registration required" page.  Which means we can have a good deal of typos left in the wild.  I still think we should try it.  If it is a failure, then we will close it again. --SvipTalk 06:19, 13 January 2008 (PST)


 * Both good arguments, and I cannot decide. And so...

On the matter of re-opening the editing:

dr zoidberg 14
 * SvipTalk
 * Quolnok


 * Anarchy Balsac 01:03, 4 February 2008 (PST)

If "Accept" wins, I'll install that extension as a precaution. And, as was stated, if it works, we can always change it back. --Buddy 18:39, 3 February 2008 (PST)

Looks like "accept" wins. So we'll be re-opening open editing. But I'm in the mood for a break from the technical side of this site for a while, so unless Svip wants to do it (I think he can do it now), it'll be a few weeks. --Buddy 13:28, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Interwiki link!
I have a week suggested to add infosphere: in the general Interwiki map, this means that on wikis like Wikipedia, writing Main Page will link them here. You can read the discussion here;. While there is no decision yet, the user Lar says that if no one objects, it will be included in next round they add interwikis. We can only hope. --SvipTalk 14:12, 16 January 2008 (PST)
 * If all goes as planned, it will be listed here. --SvipTalk 14:15, 16 January 2008 (PST)
 * That's awesome Svip! Great idea!! Samanathon 11:06, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * I suggetsted that a while back, I guess we were still to young then... - Quolnok 20:16, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * \o/ It has been added, you can see it on the list here. And see the discussion here.  Note, that the update of the interwiki database is updated every few months, last time was in September, so it can only be soon. --SvipTalk 06:03, 30 January 2008 (PST)
 * Awesome, awesome to the max. - Quolnok 16:44, 30 January 2008 (PST)
 * Freakin' sweet! So now, on Wikipedia articles, they just have to type Philip J. Fry to link to our article? That's mega-awesome. --Buddy 18:40, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * They just recently had a database update, so I tested it on Wikipedia and other WikiMedia Foundation sites, and it works. Sadly though, it still points to the old URL.  I requested an update to that though. --SvipTalk 16:39, 29 February 2008 (PST)
 * But now we've fixed the problem, thanks to you guys. So even the old URL will link them to the correct location. We can add it to be updated next time, but for now it'll work just fine. You guys are awesome! --Buddy 13:26, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Template Page
I found this page on Wikipedia, that lists all of their infoboxes - can we create a page like this? Samanathon 11:05, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * I suppose it is technically possible... although I am still in my pyjamas. Which means I'll get onto it later, unless you drag me to the ship! --SvipTalk 14:12, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * I think it would be a good idea to have all of the info box templates in one place. You're thoughts? Samanathon 15:42, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * I hope this should suit your needs for now. --SvipTalk 16:20, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * Ah, I guess I finished it for now. If I forgot any infobox, please remind me.  Also, I am thinking we need a group infoboxes, for groups.  E.g. for the Robot Mafia. --SvipTalk 16:38, 18 January 2008 (PST)
 * That's awesome! I looks great! Samanathon 16:53, 18 January 2008 (PST)

great job keep up the awsome work dr zoidberg 14

Our URL
We have discussed this before. But I feel I should bring it up again. The problem with our wiki is also that our URL is sort of difficult to remember. Especially the "overt-ops" part. Mainly because people do not associate this wiki with that ... at all. Which makes perfect sense. So I am suggesting once more that perhaps we should move domain. This is not an impossible task, but it may be slightly difficult. But since we are not moving the site physically, it should not be difficult. When it comes to a domain I am personally think of either theinfosphere.org or the-infosphere.org - both are free at the present. But I'd like to discuss it over again. --SvipTalk 07:02, 25 January 2008 (PST)
 * i think theinfosphere.org sounds fine dr zoidberg 14
 * This is a good point it took me ages to remember the URL and I think others will find the same so theinfosphere.org sounds great - <span style="font-family:Dungeon,Andy,cursive;color:#ddf;"> Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 13:24, 27 January 2008 (PST)
 * My webhost is perfectly capable of adding a new domain without any changes to the wiki (of course), but the question is being able to come up with a memorable and distinct name that hasn't been taken. .org is fine (the HRwiki is a .org address, after all). Also, nobody's donated a dime! Domain names cost eight dollars, you know! That kind of scratch doesn't grow on trees! --Buddy 18:29, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well then, my donation to this wiki could be paying for the domain. I'd gladly pay, after all, I am bathing in money I have nothing to use for. --SvipTalk 04:16, 4 February 2008 (PST)
 * The paypal link is somewhere on the main page. At least, it used to be. And I was mostly kidding (eight dollars? I think I can handle eight dollars--it's the annual hosting fee that wipes out my bank account), but I always appreciate donations. The only real issue is deciding on a name. I think I have appendicitis, so I may be out for a while (unless it's gas pain), but I'll get on it when I return! --Buddy 13:14, 7 February 2008 (PST)
 * Is there a way to work Futurama into the domain? Like Futurama.InfoSphere.com or something? --Bender is Great 14:56, 7 February 2008 (PST)
 * Didn't I say that? [checks history] Nope, I guess not... could'a sworn... futuramaInfosphere.org would be my suggestion. Hyphens and extra dots may lead to confusion. - Quolnok 16:40, 7 February 2008 (PST)
 * 'futuramainfosphere.com' is available. Should I go for it? --Buddy 17:33, 8 February 2008 (PST)
 * Alternatively, we could be a bunch of domains. I just wondering if "futuramainfosphere" is too long.  And why .com?  Why not .org?  I mean, aren't we a non-for profit org?  Alternatively, you can buy both, and redirect users of .com to .org.  I mean, people seem to remember that wikipedia is .org pretty well.  --SvipTalk 09:23, 9 February 2008 (PST)
 * "theinfosphere.org" seems to be available. Downside is that it doesn't have "futurama" in the name. but yes, "futuramainfosphere" is a bit long, though I see no other options than those two. Any other thoughts before I commit my eight dollars to one of these? --Buddy 16:21, 14 February 2008 (PST)
 * I still fail to see the importance of "futurama" in the URL. "theinfosphere.org" is still a lot easier to remember than "futurama.overt-ops.com" and while some fools may forget, I would go as far as claim; then they are not worthy of this wiki. --SvipTalk 01:06, 15 February 2008 (PST)

theinfosphere.org

 * This have been cut off the from the discussion above.

Done! I've registered "theinfosphere.org" as our new address. Don't change your bookmarks just yet, as things have yet to DNS-ify, as well as the fact that I'll need to migrate the site over once that is complete. I'll still mirror things at futurama.overt-ops.com, since there are lots of links out there on the web (in fact, see if you can get them to change the interwiki link thingy for our new address). But yes, the transaction is final and the domain is ours. http://theinfosphere.org hooray.
 * Aha! Nice, you know, you can just do a symlink (if hosted on the same machine) to this directory (which is futurama.overt-ops.com) and then put it where the new domain is (which is theinfosphere.org):
 * ln -s futurama.overt-ops.com theinfosphere.org
 * If it is as on usual Dreamhost servers. At least though, in the futurama.overt-ops.com, change the server to "theinfosphere.org" in the LocalSettings.php file, it will make sure that all links will point to the new server, so old links will get people the right place. :) --SvipTalk 08:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * I'm definitely thinking of doing this thingy. It may solve the problems we're having. The mirroring seems to have kicked in overnight, but now you're saying mirroring is bad. So I may need to try this method you've outlined here. --Buddy 11:17, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * Just make sure you do it right. I hope you are aware how symlinks work!  Also, if possible, can you not check the error log?  It may tell us why the images are denied.  Because I can tell that it is denied when the browser sends a reference to the image, without it works.  I am not sure where this "hotlinking" block is.  Alternative, you could write to Dreamhost to ask how to get rid of it or whitelist the images. --SvipTalk 12:06, 16 February 2008 (PST)

Picture Problems with New Server
This have been cut off from the discussion above to discuss the problem with the pictures on the site.
 * Well, I'm stupid and I just migrated the files and attempted to "mirror" via dreamost's feature of doing so. And now images don't seem to be working here, and the mirroring isn't yet working there. I hope you find your way here to help me out. :D --Buddy 09:16, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well, I am here. Obviously the pictures don't work.  And it appears to be a permission error.  I would personally recommend AGAINST Dreamhost's mirror feature.  In fact, I know this may seem an inappropriate time, but I was going to suggest to you to move the whole thing to a server of mine, when I get it launched, this would undoubtedly mean more control for us.  Though, let's focus on the issues at hand.  I am afraid I cannot do a throughout troubleshooting without access, but I shall do my best, I assume all the pictures still exists, cause I get a 403 rather than a 404 HTTP status message, which suggests they exist, but there is a permission error of some sort, it is plausible that you are running each site as a different user or the directories aren't writeable or readable or something. :s  Can you possibly check the error log file?  Also, I suggest you disable uploading files until this issue is gone. --SvipTalk 12:35, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * I talked to the people #mediawiki, and they think it could be because we use document root as our naming scheme, it causes nothing but trouble, instead suggests the fictive "wiki/" like on Wikipedia. Apparently this should help fix a lot of problems.  You can follow this guide: .  o_o --SvipTalk 14:41, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * Images do work if you are still on the old url. - Quolnok 19:19, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * Dredging up the reasons:
 * "I disabled hotlinking of images, which was sort of annoying me. The most popular bandwidth thief is MySpace, where everyone uses Zapp Brannigan's pic in their profiles and blogs. There are several dozen forums as well that are stealing bandwidth (the users are, not the actual forum). If anyone here was using an image for an authorized reason, let me know and I'll whitelist the url. And I don't know what authorized reasons are, so just give me a good reason to let you use the image. :D --Buddy 15:06, 17 January 2007 (PST)"
 * So we simply whitelist the new domain, right? - Quolnok 19:44, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well, all the images should be on the new server as well, so there should be no need. I just cannot figure out what the problem is. :( --SvipTalk 02:53, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * But isn't what has happened just the old server with a new URL loading whatever is at the old URL? There's still just the one server, theinfosphere.org just pretends to be the host/mirrors, but futurama.overt-ops.com is the "real" server and it doesn't allow hotlinking of images, hence forbidden. We whitelist theinfosphere.org and the problem is fixed. It's not like trying would cause a bigger problem. (sidenote; just uploaded a junk image via the new URL, it isn't viewable there but is through overt-ops) - Quolnok 07:12, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * I stand corrected. It must be the referee HTTP element that knocks it off.  What must Buddy must do is to whitelist theinfosphere.org (and for safety there of also futurama.overt-ops.com) so these domains can "hotlink" the images.  Is that possible, Buddy? --SvipTalk 07:17, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * "One must think like the computer, in order to capture it" - Quolnok 07:21, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * I am making the attempt now. *crosses fingers* --Buddy 11:21, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * Okay, that doesn't seem to be the problem, since the hotlink blocking was removed with the move anyway. Or something like that. Either way, that don't work. I think my next step is simply to re-migrate the files back to the original area (futurama.overt-ops.com) and then either try Svip's method, or mirror. Something's gotta work. :D --Buddy 11:30, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * If I wanted to make contributions, but I did so through the old URL, would that still work? 20:01, 16 February 2008 (PST)
 * Yes, but just for the safety of things, do not upload images for the time being. Test edits are fine.  And since the old URL works fine with the images, you should be set. --SvipTalk 01:04, 17 February 2008 (PST)
 * Any idea on how long it'll take to get the problem fixed? I know it's complicated and whatnot, but I am just curious. 10:51, 18 February 2008 (PST)
 * My guess would be a few minutes, but since Buddy has no Internet at home, it means simple issues on this server takes days if not weeks to fix. You should see how long it took him getting the ParserFunctions Extension up and running, something that should have taken a couple of minutes.  I just cannot wait for Buddy to get Internet at home again.  Also, Buddy, you may say that the "hotlinking" issue have gone due to the server move, but I don't think it has, as we can plainly see, and again, I ask you to see the error log files!  If anything, copy them and paste them on pastebin.ca! --SvipTalk 10:54, 18 February 2008 (PST)
 * Looks like we're partly back. Though, only through the new address for some reason, still without images. - Quolnok 02:27, 20 February 2008 (PST)
 * Yeah, I am too a bit confused about what the hell happened. Anyway, I have found a way to view images on this website for now.  It is a cheap solution, which have to be done at your own end.   In Firefox, type about:config in your address bar, then filter for referer, then set that variable's value to 0.  This will mean that Firefox will never send a "Refere" HTTP header to servers, thus never telling places where it comes from.  Since the server those do not get this information when requesting images, they are not returned forbidden, but okay!  I know it is ugly, but at least it shows that it is a referee problem with the images. --SvipTalk 11:34, 20 February 2008 (PST)
 * But unfortunately it means those of us who change it won't know when it's fixed for the casual observer. - Quolnok 16:42, 20 February 2008 (PST)
 * True. However, this is why I have several browsers.  And I won't hesitate to inform you of when it does work, and I am sure Buddy won't either! --SvipTalk 03:13, 21 February 2008 (PST)

What happened
The total outage was caused by the fact that I attempted to put things back the way they were: I moved the files back to futurama.etcetera and disabled the mirroring. However, after the mirroring was fully disabled, it still didn't load up the files that were there. I was thinking that if I could move everything back, I could start from scratch and actually get some advice from knowledgeable people before doing stupid sh*t like I seem to do. Anyway, I let that sit for around forty-eight hours, and when it didn't fix itself, I moved the files back to theinfosphere.org, which is still working fine. So, all the files are now at this new address, and the mirroring is still disabled (hence the no-workingness of the other url). As for the images, yes. If disabling referring url's clears up the problem, then it obviously really is the whitelist/hotlink block. I have viewed the .htaccess file and can see no references. However, the original hotlink block was set up via dreamhost's panel. But now, when attempting to view the hotlink settings, it says none are set up. So the move retained the settings, but made dreamhost's panel not recognize them anymore somehow. I would be glad to hear any advice you may have on how to solve this problem, as I am apparently very, very dumb. --Buddy 16:14, 21 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well, I know sometimes when settings are lost you can just set them again and it over rights the old stuff. Not that I've even done it on a web server. Is it possible the settings are somehow still on the old location (probably not if you moved all the data). Dreamhost is probably doing things in a non standard way if there's nothing in the htaccess. - Quolnok 17:44, 21 February 2008 (PST)
 * Also, when this is sorted again we might as well leave a notice, redirect and/or mirror at the old address. - Quolnok 19:03, 21 February 2008 (PST)
 * Well, my first suggestion would be to give DreamHost a call on how to remove the mirroring. Alternatively look for similarities of this in the .htaccess files, I know you said there weren't any in it right now, so it is plausible that the information DreamHost keeps for such is done another place.  So instead, try an enable the blocking and then disable it.  That may overwrite it like Quolnok said.  But write a mail to DreamHost while you're at it... couldn't hurt! --SvipTalk 03:28, 22 February 2008 (PST)

Happy Anniversary
I'm a bit late, but as of 20080130, the wiki is two years old. Congrats to all, and may we continue on, ad infinitum. --Buddy 18:31, 3 February 2008 (PST)
 * Till the end of time, or more likely the real Infosphere returns and fulfil its task. Perhaps in an alternative reality.  Congratulations. --SvipTalk 05:50, 4 February 2008 (PST)
 * Huzzah! I'm a little surprised I found this place so early in it's life. - Quolnok 06:08, 4 February 2008 (PST)
 * I understand why I found it like a year and a month into its age (or so). Cause I first got into Futurama in the last weekend of January, 2007.  Where I watched all episodes in three days due to a tip from a friend.  Ever since then, I have been hooked! --SvipTalk 06:13, 4 February 2008 (PST)

what day is today its the infosphers birthday what day for a birthday lets all have some cake dr zoidberg 14

Picture Problems
I can't seem to get any of the pictures to show up. Anyone else having this problem? -- 09:51, 15 February 2008 (PST)
 * See the discussion above, for now I suggest we do not upload images. --SvipTalk 12:48, 15 February 2008 (PST)

We are back online!
After a few days of downtime, we are finally back up and running. The images are working, the new domain is working, but the old domain isn't, however, I have informed Buddy on how to fix it. I welcome you all to the new domain. :) --SvipTalk 05:35, 28 February 2008 (PST)
 * Hooray, we're back, I'll check the owl traps. - Quolnok 05:42, 28 February 2008 (PST)
 * Yall should have redirected it, I went searching on google and everything and only found dead links to the old URL.Anarchy Balsac 19:45, 4 March 2008 (PST)
 * Try again. I just checked the google links and they all work fine. And they've already registered the new domain, so searches for "Futurama WIki" lead to the new domain, but we've dropped below the wikia wiki. I really don't know how to fix that, but maybe the Interwiki linking will help, since we can put links in Wikipedia on Futurama-related pages and such. --Buddy 18:58, 5 March 2008 (PST)

were back baby dr zoidberg 14

And we owe it all to Svip. After being retarded for two or three weeks (surely it wasn't a month? (refuses to check dates)), I just gave svip some good ole FTP access, and he had it fixed in what I can assume was three seconds. Let us all give Svip a round of applause! --Buddy 14:59, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * Redirect at old domain seems faulty; this http://futurama.overt-ops.com/Fry/o takes you to theinfosphere.orgfry/o probably redirecting from futurama.overt-ops.com/ (with slash) to theinfosphere.org (without slash) or similar.- Quolnok 16:38, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * Yes, I know. I have no idea what the dilly-yo. Oddness indeed. --Buddy 17:34, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * If on the actual redirect itself only futurama.overt-ops has a slash; Put a slash on the other. If neither do, add them in. If both do remove them. Or if redirects are set up in a way where you can only see one link, remove or add the slash. Those are my guesses. - Quolnok 17:53, 3 March 2008 (PST)
 * Quolnok is right, Buddy, you have to add a slash at the end of the redirect. It is important, you might have to delete the domain once more and "recreate" it.  Remember domain: futurama.overt-ops.com redirect: http://theinfosphere.org/ .  Do it like that and it should work.  I have tried it myself using DreamHost's systems.  But the slash is important. --SvipTalk 04:07, 4 March 2008 (PST)
 * Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Well, I'll get to that as soon as Dreamhost is accessible again. They seem to be offline...--Buddy 13:21, 4 March 2008 (PST) [update]: Done and done. Thanks all for the assistance. Hopefully it'll be a while before I have to do anything else technical, since apparently I'm really bad at it. And right now my emails won't send (yet oddly I can receive), so I have that problem to try to fix as well... --Buddy 13:24, 4 March 2008 (PST)